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标题: ████████ 请教各位上班的前辈, 新毕业生的求职途径,谢谢 [打印本页]

作者: hff9629 时间: 2010-4-22 12:11:44 标题: ████████ 请教各位上班的前辈, 新毕业生的求职途径,谢谢

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作者: ID就是个符号 时间: 2010-4-22 13:03:38

有情提醒，中介不收你费用，中介只问雇主收佣金

作者: ID就是个符号 时间: 2010-4-22 13:09:58

你如果平时全职上班的话那就只能盯住SEEK了。

但从你自己描述的资历来看，SEEK上的工作几乎没人会联系你。不是打击你，只是就目前的市场行情实话实说。

作者: hff9629 时间: 2010-4-22 13:32:03

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作者: ID就是个符号 时间: 2010-4-22 13:52:24

:dizzy:

呵呵，谢谢你的回复。
是啊，刚发了2周简历。每天收的都是委婉拒绝信。

关于中介，是不是华人中介才直接管employee收钱。洋人中介的找到工作，按工资的百分比收费？

请问，你的建议呢？把现在的工 ...
hff9629 发表于 2010/4/22 12:32

不管有没有希望，盯住SEEK投。前300份完全都不用抱任何希望。

KIWI中介问雇主收取一个月的薪水作为佣金。所以你的资历找KIWI中介也是没希望的。因为人家花同样多的时间和精力当然更愿意推荐能要到更高薪水的人去面试，不会在你身上浪费时间。

是否辞职你自己决定。你既然英文不成问题，我只能说你如果能拿着简历去一家一家上门的话，那成功的把握要比你投简历翻上10翻。

过来人，自认为看得比较透彻，所以说的比较直接，还往见谅。

p.s. 一定要有 full driver license

作者: ID就是个符号 时间: 2010-4-22 14:00:02

你现在是最难跨出的第一步

这个岛上的人见的世面少，全都靠熟人推荐。所以你一定要自己上门。

作者: hff9629 时间: 2010-4-22 14:19:07

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作者: ID就是个符号 时间: 2010-4-22 14:39:30

呵呵　非常感谢你的建议！

full license我有。请问为什么full license 很重要啊。不理解。
seek 的工作，盯了２周，寻找符合自己资历的，只投了十几份简历。你说的３００份有点难度啊。
请问，还有其他工作来源 ...
hff9629 发表于 2010/4/22 13:19

公司会要你开车出去跑

另外不是很明白，MCSE那么多门考试，撑下来都已经一年了。。。

为什么不考虑CCNA？2个月就能过了。

作者: hff9629 时间: 2010-4-22 16:05:26

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作者: ID就是个符号 时间: 2010-4-22 16:15:50

谢谢前辈指点。

请教一下，CCNA要公司有大型Cisco路由器才用得到。 NZ这里会不会 MCSE适用的公司多一些？　
谢谢！
hff9629 发表于 2010/4/22 15:05

岛上到处都是cisco的设备，而且明显这里搞网络的薪水更好

作者: ID就是个符号 时间: 2010-4-22 16:16:43

有钱的话可以弄个 VMware 的 VCP

作者: hff9629 时间: 2010-4-22 17:10:02

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作者: pAtrick 时间: 2010-4-22 17:13:52

乱考证书不是个出路阿……

这边其实sysadmin比developer难发展

作者: hff9629 时间: 2010-4-22 17:21:49

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作者: 向后看的鱼 时间: 2010-4-22 17:24:10

ls的高手说话了。。。

作者: ID就是个符号 时间: 2010-4-22 17:28:46

乱考证书不是个出路阿……

这边其实sysadmin比developer难发展
pAtrick 发表于 2010/4/22 16:13

个人认为来岛上就是图个安稳日子

考虑职业发展的话那就不应该来新西兰。。。

作者: pAtrick 时间: 2010-4-22 17:31:07

个人认为来岛上就是图个安稳日子

考虑职业发展的话那就不应该来新西兰。。。
ID就是个符号发表于 2010-4-22 16:28

我有说要发展成什么牛人么……只是相对而言来说

作者: ID就是个符号 时间: 2010-4-22 17:36:11

我有说要发展成什么牛人么……只是相对而言来说
pAtrick 发表于 2010/4/22 16:31

哎，新西兰就是混日子，没什么好多说的

看看kiwi是怎么上班的就明白了

只能祝LZ好运了

作者: hff9629 时间: 2010-4-22 17:44:33

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作者: 无过 时间: 2010-4-22 18:06:27

pAtrick和117wk还有马甲都是上班族里面界的高人~~~~~~

作者: hff9629 时间: 2010-4-22 18:08:52

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作者: 117wik 时间: 2010-4-22 22:40:37

Personally i think for someone like you, your best way to find a job is:
- online by focusing on http://it.seek.co.nz
- approach potential employers directly (email or snail mail) and ask if they have any roles that suits your background and experience. (refer to http://jadedragon-nz.blogspot.com/ for some of the old posts that i have written on how to job hunt using yellowpages)

You probably shouldn't be looking for a sys admin role right at this stage (sys admin are usually categorized more as a level3 position). For someone like you that are starting out, you should look for role with a title similar to:
- helpdesk
- IT support
- Service desk etc

NOTE: i did a quick search on it.seek.co.nz with keyword helpdesk or support in Auckland and found more than 300 hits.

From where you are, i will personally recommend you to:
- continue to work where you are until a better job is found (so you don't get stressed financially, which will make things worst)
- check out seek on daily basis, start to pay attention for skills requirement listed for any of the roles listed above, and for any of those required skill that you don't have, work out a plan to fill the gap.
- continue with your study and certification (personally i will recommend you to focus on what's in demand on the job market rather than just randomly pick a certification and do it because someone think it's a good idea). If you really need a pointer in this area, feel free to PM and talk to me (I am certified in about 15 different IT certifications and have been working in IT in NZ for about 12 years).
- follow my yellowpages advise and start gather a list of IT companies in Auckland and put together a database (talk to baikal, he might have a list that he doesn't need anymore that you can use). Send out bulk emails/letters as last resort.

If you know what you are doing (technically not an idiot), and you do work hard in every aspect, and do speak reasonable english, it should be just the matter of time before you will find your first proper IT job in NZ (took me 6 months to find my first IT job in NZ, and most of us have been through what you are going through now). Don;t give up and you will get there. good luck.

作者: 牛哥 时间: 2010-4-22 22:57:19

想好你想作IT哪方面，把CV好好弄一下。
然后在SEEK上面建个PROFILE，设好你所要找的工作的CRITERIA，每天会自动把合适的工作发邮件到你信箱。这样方便你看看。
不同的工作最好用不同的COVER LETTER, 不要用千篇一律的。
可以上一些大公司的网页上去看看，有时他们会有一些毕业生职位的。
第一份工作总是最难找的，有要耐心，慢慢来。不要找几份就气馁了。

作者: 风姿花传 时间: 2010-4-22 23:16:45

四个字 --- --- 屡败屡战

努力吧！！！

作者: only 时间: 2010-4-23 13:53:58

屡败屡战,屡战屡败.............

作者: hff9629 时间: 2010-4-23 14:01:15

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作者: ID就是个符号 时间: 2010-4-23 15:24:24

谢谢各位的建议. 今天早上来上班开起sky不经意的感动了一下. 谢谢大家的帮助和鼓励！

Especially for 117wik's post, thanks for your advice, really appreciate that.

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hff9629 发表于 2010/4/23 13:01

虽然不是问我，但看完忍不住想说几句：

写信和投简历没什么本质区别，无非就是多投了一些潜在的会雇佣你的公司而已。

你可以上门，临走丢一封信，结尾说要是有别的IT相关职位你也愿意尝试。

既然你的目标这么明确是想往网络方面发展，那我也可以很明确的告诉你，从helpdesk L1开始走是行不通的。你到了系统管理员这一级就歇菜了。

考MCSE那是浪费时间和考试费。我04年拿到手，到现在没觉得这个东西有什么用。更何况你是想搞网络。

CCNA是扫盲，没有CCNP根本搞不定cisco的设备。

要在这里快速实现你的目标，办法只有一个：就是你来头一定要大~！

看你比较上进，恕我冒昧的给你指条明路，埋头1年，回国去考CCIE。

作者: ybbest 时间: 2010-4-23 16:06:31

本帖最后由 ybbest 于 2010-4-23 15:08 编辑

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作者: ybbest 时间: 2010-4-23 16:06:57

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作者: ybbest 时间: 2010-4-23 16:07:26

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作者: ybbest 时间: 2010-4-23 16:10:03

http://careers.axon.co.nz/#Auckland

Browse the jobs below or select the location to view. | Auckland | Wellington |
Auckland Systems Engineer - Desktop SOE

Job Type: Permanent
Location: Auckland

                                                      We require a  Systems Engineer to be responsible for the third level support of the desktop standard operating environment at Air NZ.  The successful candidates must have enterprise environment experience dealing with a wide range of technologies including Microsoft OS, Active Directory, Group Policy, Altiris, anti-virus, Citrix client and line of business applications.
This is an opportunity to take operational ownership of the standard operating environment, assist to drive the direction of operational desktop management and knowledge share with team members.

You must have the experience detailed above and at least 7 years working as an ICT support engineer.


                                                                              Level 1 Agent - Auckland

Job Type: Permanent
Location: Auckland

                                                      Our Newmarket based managed services team have a requirement for another Level 1 agent to join them.
To be the successful candidate, you must have experience supporting predominantly Microsoft technology remotely and over the phone and  have a relevant industry qualification ie MCP, A + etc.  An understanding of working within the  ITIL framework is an advantage.
You must love delivering exceptional customer service and have a clear telephone voice for this front line role.

                                                                              Level 2 Analyst

Job Type: Permanent
Location: Auckland

                                                      Our Newmarket based managed services team have a requirement for another Level 2 analyst.

You must have experience supporting users remotely and over the phone, predominantly within a MS environment and have some relevant qualification. An understanding of working within the ITIL framework and work experience with a vendor/service provider would be an advantage.

You must love delivering exceptional customer service and have a clear telephone voice for this client facing role.

                                                                              Solutions Architect

Job Type: Permanent
Location: Auckland

                                                      We require a Solutions Architect to define innovative and compelling architectures for our clients.
This role spans business analysis, solutions specification and technical design.  You will be capable of capturing requirements, aligning solutions to strategic goals and delivering technical specification to an enterprise standard.
You will have a proven track record of delivering successful quality solutions and be able to communicate with stakeholders, customer and vendor peers, and technical delivery teams alike.  The ability to provide thought leadership, have good business acumen and enjoy the challenge of a demanding schedule.
Key to the success of this role is the accurate specification of solutions and the ability to determine the engineering requirements to deliver projects on time and on budget.

                                                                              Systems Integrator

Job Type: Permanent
Location: Auckland

                                                      We are looking for an application packager who has strong experience using WISE packaging studio 5+,  a high level of skill within Microsoft Installer technology and preferably experience  with Altiris for software deployment.
You will have experience working in an enterprise Standard Operating Environment (SOE), be a strong trouble-shooter and have a real eye for the detail.  You will also have experience with Windows desktop technologies and some scripting experience.
This is a great opportunity to join a small focussed team with lots of client interaction.

                                                                              Operations Delivery Manager

Job Type: Permanent
Location: Auckland

                                                      We are looking for an experienced manager to lead and drive operational performance through the efficient and effective delivery of ICT Managed Services.

You will ensure the quality of people, process and systems to deliver contracted annuity services for our customers while simultaneously managing the transition of new customers and implementing service design changes into daily ‘practice’.

This is an exciting opportunity for the right person. You will have:
Substantial management experience in an operational setting, where a customer focussed, efficient and cost effective service was provided
Commercial exposure to Service Delivery agreements and experience in the translation and daily execution of them
Good experience in leading the implementation of behavioural and organisational change
Proven experience at leading and managing successful teams

You will be accountable for customer satisfaction, service scope, service quality, service attainment and service efficiency. You will lead a delivery team, manage daily escalations with the client, review ongoing statements of work in order to manage risk and scope associated with business change projects and have regular liaison with the clients operational management team.

You will need to establish credibility quickly, be a trusted advisor, be technically savvy, have the ability to negotiate through tough political situations and understand the ITIL framework.

                                                                              Level 2 Monitoring Analyst

Job Type: Permanent
Location: Auckland

                                                      Our Newmarket based managed services group has a requirement for a Level 2 Analyst to join our monitoring team, administering and implementing our monitoring toolsets across multiple clients.

You have preferably worked in a MS environment for several years, and have had exposure to the ITIL frameworks. You should have troubleshooting skills, an understanding of networks, experience with Microsoft server environments, and generic knowledge of common technologies used in enterprise IT environments. Relevant industry qualifications are a must, and experience with managing or implementing monitoring systems in heterogeneous environments would be a significant advantage.

This role has technical and administrative components, involving interaction with internal teams and clients. You should have good attention to detail, be adaptable, self-motivated, technically agile, and able to express yourself well verbally and in writing.




                                                                              Wellington                                                                           Consulting Engineer - Wellington

Job Type: Permanent
Location: Wellington

Our Consultancy business in Wellington requires an additional Consulting Engineer. You will provide consultant services and high level engineering to our clients who are in diverse market segments at the top end of their industries.

You will have a solid grounding in enterprise infrastructure, architecture and business process and have carried the mantel of 'trusted advisor' in previous positions. Key areas of expertise will include Backup and Storage solutions in particular, EMC, IBM, Commvault and Symantec Netbackup, Microsoft AD and Exchange, Virtualisation, Networking Technologies, Data Management and Unified Communications.

You will be a strong communicator (exceptional written communications skills are a priority), have natural leadership qualities, build strong enduring relationships and will have a track record to support all of these attributes.

作者: ybbest 时间: 2010-4-23 16:11:19

http://www.intergen.co.nz/Careers/Graduates/

作者: hff9629 时间: 2010-4-23 16:27:47

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作者: ybbest 时间: 2010-4-23 16:37:58

Google these companies in NZ

Good IT companies in nz that are doing microsfot solution
The full finalist list is:

Application Platform Solution of the Year
Datacom Systems (Wellington)
Datacraft New Zealand
Provoke Solutions
SQL Services

Business Productivity: Enterprise Content Management Solution of the Year
Enlighten Designs
Gen-i
Intergen

Business Productivity: Portals and Collaboration Solution of the Year
Business Mechanix
Datasouth Business Solutions
Gen-i
IGA Systems

Business Productivity: Unified Communications Solution of the Year
Axon Computer Systems
Maclean Computing

Community Impact Solution of the Year
Complete Solutions
Fronde Systems Group
The Simpl Group

Core Infrastructure Solution of the Year
Axon Computer Systems
Datasouth Business Solutions
Gen-i

Deployment Partner of the Year
Axon Computer Systems
Business Mechanix

Learning Solutions Partner of the Year
Ace Training
Auldhouse

Licensing Star of the Year
Amy Jackson - Gen-i
Jo Meban - Gen-i
Linda Te Maipi - Fujitsu

Microsoft Dynamics CRM Solution of the Year
Gen-i
Magnetism Solutions
Intergen

Microsoft Dynamics ERP Solution of the Year
Fujitsu New Zealand
Eclipse
Intergen

Microsoft Services Ready Partner of the Year
Datacom Systems

Partnering Award
Enlighten Designs and Axon Computer Systems
Koorb Consulting and Sato New Zealand

Reseller of the Year
Dick Smith Electronics
Gen-i
Lexel Systems

Small Business Specialist of the Year
Datasouth Business Solutions
Kinetics
Quay Corporate

Software Solution of the Year
Agile Software
Intergen
Fronde Systems Group
The Simpl Group

Solutions Star of the Year
Ben Gracewood - Datacom Systems
Geoff Clow - Axon Computer Systems
Lance Garrett - Koorb Consulting
Nigel Burn - Axon Computer Systems

作者: hff9629 时间: 2010-4-23 16:46:12

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作者: ybbest 时间: 2010-4-23 16:56:55

本帖最后由 ybbest 于 2010-4-23 16:06 编辑

36# hff9629
我曾经在intergen工作过，bachelor不是一个硬条件。你工作过一段时间了，应该比毕业生更有优势。我当时就是申请他们graduate program，当时本科还有９个月毕业就要我了而且我只是学生工签。可以去试试，工作环境超级好。

You can talk to some agents as well.But paying for agent is not going to help ,most good company will not use those agents to find staff simply because it will end up cost them too much.They'd rather use some good agents to find some quality candidate.

Just search from seek and make a few phone call to some agents.Have a few words with them then you can email your cv and cover letter to them.When opportunity arises , they will contact you.
Plus :Graduate program does not mean it will hire bachelor or master.It simply an entry level job.Most graduate program is fixed term contract so that you can not easily leave your job for a certain period (under paid for a year or two).But in return you will receive a lot of training and much less responsibilities(it does not mean you will do less work , simply mean there is always someone you can ask for help. AKA. Your mentor)
Good luck.

作者: hff9629 时间: 2010-4-23 17:15:51

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作者: 117wik 时间: 2010-4-23 23:58:56

谢谢各位的建议. 今天早上来上班开起sky不经意的感动了一下. 谢谢大家的帮助和鼓励！

Especially for 117wik's post, thanks for your advice, really appreciate that.

Your way of using yellowpage to job ...
hff9629 发表于 2010-4-23 13:01

PM me and let's go and have a coffee and talk through it? Might be easier rather than posting back and forward here.

作者: 117wik 时间: 2010-4-24 00:10:05

本帖最后由 117wik 于 2010-4-23 23:14 编辑

虽然不是问我，但看完忍不住想说几句：

写信和投简历没什么本质区别，无非就是多投了一些潜在的会雇佣你的公司而已。

你可以上门，临走丢一封信，结尾说要是有别的IT相关职位你也愿意尝试。

既然你的 ...
ID就是个符号发表于 2010-4-23 14:24

I don't quite agree, I deal with senior network/security engineers/designers/architects all the time, and quite a few of them used to work as a helpdesk (ages ago obviously). Everyone have to start somewhere, i am not sure what you are basing your statement on (that starting from helpdesk won't get anywhere). May be you should back some of your statement here with your experience and how you got to where you are now? It will probably give LZ a better idea and confidence that you are stating what you said based on fact.

Also you seem to keep bashing MCSE and think that CCNA is the way to go in terms of finding job in NZ, again, is this based on experience or just your personal opinion? Personally based on my own experience, there are more demand for sys admin rather than network admin on the market. I do have to admit that Cisco support is the better way to go, but the reality is not that many companies actually do need someone with Cisco experience though. (i.e. i have seen too many that have done only CCNA and nothing else and couldn't get a job anywhere).

I started off as an MCSE myself and i think i am doing ok in the NZ IT industry though.

作者: 117wik 时间: 2010-4-24 00:13:04

请问，假设我埋头回国加一个补习班。１年之后拿到CCIE，回头再到NZ。即使某个公司要申请Cisco的金牌代理，公司需要多少多少个CCIE，他们敢要我这样一点经验都没有，光有一个证书的人吗？
hff9629 发表于 2010-4-23 15:27

DO NOT become a paper certify. If you are serious about getting a job in IT, be the one that know something about it. I have interviewed candidates that are CCNP certified before that didn't even know some of the most basic thing that a CCNA should know. certification is absolutely useless if you don't know what you are doing and talking about at all.

作者: 选择新西兰 时间: 2010-4-24 00:42:40

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作者: 花天堂 时间: 2010-4-25 01:17:23

一般時候我都會留言一下, 但是IT.......實在不知道...........

作者: BigJack 时间: 2010-4-25 01:31:42

学到不少。。。虽然跟我专业没有一毛钱关系。。。

作者: 闲人莫入 时间: 2010-4-25 01:34:53

做点深层的工作吧，光是电脑店的维护，洋人公司基本忽略这种经验。

作者: Sky心情版水圣 时间: 2010-4-25 11:26:41

FNZ 1月的时候我去面试过GRADUATE DEV，包机票到Wellington，不过那次挂了。。。。。
他薪水那么高啊，记得当时就 $22-$25/hour.......

作者: ID就是个符号 时间: 2010-4-25 18:32:39

I don't quite agree, I deal with senior network/security engineers/designers/architects all the time, and quite a few of them used to work as a helpdesk (ages ago obviously). Everyone have to star ...
117wik 发表于 2010/4/23 23:10

有人在论坛上瞎聊聊挺好的，至少能打发掉点时间。

我看了LZ后面的回复，挺明显的，人家挺有自己的想法和理想的。不过毕竟没入行，还不明白整个技术支持链上的每个环节，没体会到上面给个职位对前途的茫然。新人嘛，挺正常的，能理解。

我们两个的观点不太一样也挺正常的，因为我们的经历肯定不同，对自己目前的状态以及将来的打算也不一样。至于你说的一些类似于系统管理员的市场需求更大、有的CCNP甚至不具备CCNA应有的知识，我也不想要反驳。因为市场需求大和LZ是否就能被录用没有必然联系，而且我也可以说有的CCNP的综合实力甚至超越CCIE。我们两个人之间的探讨其实对LZ一点帮助都没有。

因为我们给LZ指的未来完全超过了LZ目前可以实现的地步。

有些人可能觉得我之前说的都是信口开河，什么考VCP啊，甚至什么回国考CCIE都说出来了。我觉得有必要作个说明。我的本意并不是“考”，而是“学习”。一个CCIE实际水平如何我不敢担保，但至少一定是具备相当完善的知识体系的。至于为什么是VCP和CCIE，这只是我对这里市场的一个预计。大家能理解就理解，不理解也就算了。

既然问到我的个人经历，那确实也有比较简单介绍一下，供LZ做个参考。

我找第一份工作的时候已经是MCSE + MCDBA + CCNA。当时CCNA挺值钱的，因为市面上看不到，而且都吹是什么国际认证，能不值钱嘛。后来进了全球实力最强的IT外包服务公司，支持全球500强里前50名的客户项目。我一个人每天支持的用户数量超过300，光上海需要支持的办公室面积就超过6千平米。这份工作给了我一个非常高的起点，也为我将来的发展铺下了意想不到的人脉关系。要说职位的话，那算是这里的 level2 吧。

一年之后我就辞职了。为什么？？三个字，“没前途”。老板几次说要留我，我也不转弯，“我也不想走，可是没前途啊“。后来这个老板为我在新西兰的第一份工作做了reference。之后的实事是，team里的其他人没有一个升上去的，包括工作了四五年的，全都跳槽去了其它公司，干着同样的工种，就是收入高了那么一点点。

后来由于之前的人脉关系，我被介绍去接手部门重组的IT项目，算是个小leader吧。不过这里要提醒LZ一点，一直到今天为止，我能比别人走的远，并不是我技术比别人强，或者别的什么原因，我总结下来就是个人脉和机遇，仅此而已。

所以 LZ 要是有信心从help desk做起，我也拦不住。但你要我从头来过，我都不敢去重复这第一步。因为时代不同了，再也不是什么几个技术精英满办公室跑。更多的是转换成一个注重流程和管理的行业，类似于流水线生产。这也是为什么我之前说你到了系统管理员就歇菜了。

有空你可以留意一下，这里的系统管理员都多少岁数了，你要是觉得35岁做个部门”总工程师“也不错的话，那花时间苦熬也未尝不是一条出路。只不过升职这个东西还存在一个概率的问题，而且技术支持啊也逃脱不了办公室政治，你不能站错队伍。

另外LZ可以留意一下，现在的软件做的越来越强，人机界面越来越完善，有没有可能说公司有天神经短路，出低价找两个毕业生把35岁的总工给替代了。

其实我自己也觉得，我给你描述的这些都离你太遥远，你甚至都不能理解。

我其实并不了解你，所以我不能说”你往售前靠吧。看看大公司总裁都是什么部门出生。“也许售后支持或者和最终用户打交道反而更适合你。

我也只能装B的说，一切皆是因果，都得看造化。

作者: Corec 时间: 2010-4-25 20:15:53

都是强人。。。

作者: ybbest 时间: 2010-4-25 22:34:39

[url=http://bbs.skykiwi.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=22767144&ptid=1387855]48#[/url] ID就是个符号
这个对于一个毕业生来说也就是听听罢了。人毕竟还是要脚踏实地，从低做起。而且搞技术，不一定都是support。如果你到了一个IT Service Company 会有developer 或者network manager的。
还有就是有的人适合搞技术，有的人不适合。不觉得到了35岁做个部门”总工程师“有什么不好。哪要看你在什么公司做，你能做到微软的 Operating system (e.g Windows 8,9,10)部门”总工程师“ 我觉得还是很有“钱”途，实在不行office 或者Visualstudio也行。

作者: ID就是个符号 时间: 2010-4-26 09:46:20

http://bbs.skykiwi.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=22767144&ptid=1387855]48# ID就是个符号
这个对于一个毕业生来说也就是听听罢了。人毕竟还是要脚踏实地，从低做起。而且搞技术，不一定都是support。如果 ...
ybbest 发表于 2010/4/25 21:34

微软的“总工程师”是不会给红旗下长大的中国人的。对于这个美好的愿望，我只能说但愿吧。

作者: 光圈优先 时间: 2010-4-26 10:36:17

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作者: ID就是个符号 时间: 2010-4-26 10:55:56

学IT的,大部分该行或者回国了.IT毕业生的失业率是数一数二的.奥大维大毕业的大把找不到工作的.我看你现在的学历和工作在新西兰也算对口了.如果再想发展,有的职位看运气,有的看自己修炼的水平了.我觉得你打算发展的路 ...
光圈优先发表于 2010/4/26 09:36

看来都是有经历的人

仁兄说的是我比较爱听的，呵呵。。。

作者: 严重缺乏安全感 时间: 2010-4-26 11:35:27

这年头找工作好难，寄了n多简历了，只有一封回的，说已经面试了很多人，找到了一个合适的了。

我晕，我连面试都没有过。

啊

作者: ybbest 时间: 2010-4-26 11:39:57

本帖最后由 ybbest 于 2010-4-26 10:51 编辑

51# ID就是个符号

Not really.The technical product manager for bloody SharePoint is Chinese.I am not quite sure why you guys are really pessimistic about life here.It is much better than China.No matter how good you are , if you do not have connections in China ,there is not fxxking Chance of getting promotion.At least here , if you work harder , your work will be paid off eventually.

Your own experience is yours not everybody else.If you can not get promoted , it does not mean we can't.Simply because we are confident,optimistic and we work hard and enjoy what we are doing.We have people working as software architect , network architect and project manager in this forum.So I could not see why everybody esle can not achieve that.

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作者: hff9629 时间: 2010-4-26 11:53:19

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作者: ID就是个符号 时间: 2010-4-26 12:40:23

51# ID就是个符号

Not really.The technical product manager for bloody SharePoint is Chinese.I am not quite sure why you guys are really pessimistic about life here.It is much better than China.No ...
ybbest 发表于 2010/4/26 10:39

呵呵，看你挺有情绪的

发现有些人看不明白我的意思，只好再次强调一次：我不是觉得自己没前途了，所以阻止别人低姿态进入这个行业。正是因为我走过来了，但发现这条路不靠谱，才希望新人可以具备高资历，至少是比较完善的知识结构，直接就拿个比较有上升潜力的职位，而不是流水兵策略的helpdesk。

另外呢，建议不要拿个案和小概率事件去鼓励新人。你当时是提了个比较高的职位，至少也是总监级别吧，我才说这种职位不会留给红旗下长大的的中国人。你现在又举个中层经理的例子。没什么意思吧。打击人的例子我实在是不想举。。。

我之前也反复说了，我们在这里争论自己的观点对LZ一点帮助都没有。

既然都是这个行业里的人，对自己的前景报有美好的期望那是好事。

我想对LZ说的已经都说了，祝LZ好运吧。

作者: ID就是个符号 时间: 2010-4-26 12:59:57

首先谢谢 ybbest 在这个帖子里给出的许多有用的链接, 让我多了很多工作机会. 谢谢你!

也谢谢 ID就是个符号在此帖的发言, 你的一些意见和看法,
比如“因为时代不同了，再也不是什么几个技术精英满办公室跑。更 ...
hff9629 发表于 2010/4/26 10:53

没错，怎么发展取决你自己的综合素质和特长。

我是比较闲，所以结合自己的经历和你瞎聊聊，只能给你出出主意。

作者: ybbest 时间: 2010-4-26 13:22:59

57# ID就是个符号
It would be good to start in good position but in reality is that graduate needs to start somewhere.

作者: 117wik 时间: 2010-4-26 21:46:07

希望新人可以具备高资历，至少是比较完善的知识结构，直接就拿个比较有上升潜力的职位，而不是流水兵策略的helpdesk

I guess if LZ has a choice, it will be a no brainer and everyone will always pick a role with more advancement potential. The reality is for most IT graduates that are starting out, a lot of them can't even get an interview.

Saying that, internet is the best place where freedom of speech is exercised, so pls don't take our comments too seriously either. At the end of the day we have nothing against you personally, and we are all just giving our 2cents and it's still up to LZ to determine what advise is right for him, and it's still up to him to find his own path.... :)

I am really curious, do u still work in IT now? The company that you worked for before that look after fortune 500 companies, it wasn't HP/EDS was it?

作者: JamesW 时间: 2010-4-26 22:29:29

It would be easier for you if someone can introduce you. At least a chance to have a job interview with employer.

In NZ, the vast majority of job openings are never advertised or publicly announced, but filled through word-of-mouth or networking

作者: newmike 时间: 2010-4-27 19:44:15

个人意见，仅供参考：

1. 想办法找熟人介绍入行，同学，朋友，亲戚，同事等等，在NZ这是最靠谱的法子；

2. 想办法 ”能人所不能“。你得有拿得出的手的东西才行。现在经济不是很好，有一两年行业经验的人都不好找工作。LS有人建议直接上CCIE是条路子。不过路子不只一条。要不就先眯着，等经济好起来再说。

总之，现在不是入行的好时候，心里要有准备，在NZ，时机是最重要的，毕竟市场小，机会少。

作者: CNGBA 时间: 2010-4-27 19:58:57

来新西兰很多年了，我的体会是，如果你有较广泛的社会交往，机会常常会光顾你。Face-to-face 常常比看到一封求职的cover letter 更有效果。

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