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标题: 还有个中国人在CTV大楼下，为什么救援队就要撤离阿！！ [打印本页]

作者: poppet 时间: 2011-2-23 14:02:48 标题: 还有个中国人在CTV大楼下，为什么救援队就要撤离阿！！

本帖最后由 poppet 于 2011-2-23 14:24 编辑

http://chch.skykiwi.com/na/2011-02-23/117503.shtml

新闻上说救援队撤离了，可是明明还有个中国女孩被困阿！
这是为什么呀！
这是刚刚在网上看到的

作者: 武夫的眉笔 时间: 2011-2-23 14:07:26

为什么呀？？？？？？？

作者: duncan_kai 时间: 2011-2-23 14:08:27

太欺负人了, 政府一定要给个说法

作者: NormalLife 时间: 2011-2-23 14:09:10

我刚发帖就看到这个了，但愿搞的不要象矿难那次

作者: 武夫的眉笔 时间: 2011-2-23 14:12:57

谁挖出来归谁，单身的赶快去，
克拉克你赶快去，一边哭一边挖，拿手刨，刨出血来，绝对又救人，又对自己有好处
我要在基督城，绝对请一天假，仰天长啸干这个事

作者: 北岸卫星电视08 时间: 2011-2-23 14:14:51

不会的，不管你是哪国人没有特殊原因，大家是不会放弃援救。这个版主怎么可以在这里煽风点火乱讲。

作者: peggy64 时间: 2011-2-23 14:15:01

MD,为什么要撤离啊？难道里面的人就不是人啦？怎么这样啊？希望那个中国女孩能挺过来，多坚持一下，唉！！

作者: joanmiao 时间: 2011-2-23 14:15:13

他们知道那个中国女孩在里面吗？我们可以给他们打电话说一下吗？

作者: poppet 时间: 2011-2-23 14:15:27

本帖最后由 poppet 于 2011-2-23 14:16 编辑

刚又看新闻说, 救援队全力去挖PGC大楼了,这边不管了!!!!!
一共就没踏了几个大楼,难道人手就这么不够吗?还要放弃一个??明明下面还有个活人呢!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=10708203

作者: Venox10111 时间: 2011-2-23 14:20:45

人手不够,说8小时都没生命迹象,现在去救有生命迹象的...

作者: poppet 时间: 2011-2-23 14:23:56

不会的，不管你是哪国人没有特殊原因，大家是不会放弃援救。这个版主怎么可以在这里煽风点火乱讲。
北岸卫星电视08 发表于 2011-2-23 14:14

自己看新闻去

作者: joanmiao 时间: 2011-2-23 14:28:51

刚又看新闻说, 救援队全力去挖PGC大楼了,这边不管了!!!!!
一共就没踏了几个大楼,难道人手就这么不够吗?还要放弃一个??明明下面还有个活人呢!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=10708203
poppet 发表于 2011-2-23 14:15

啊～谁知道地震EMERGENCY的电话，那个女孩可以确定还在那里吗？我要打电话报告

作者: NormalLife 时间: 2011-2-23 14:31:10

为什么不多建几个救援队？

作者: 萨米 时间: 2011-2-23 14:36:23

这标题有点煽动了，如果只剩一个中国人在里面，那救援队真的有可能是王八蛋。但是如果不止一个种族的人在里面，那么他们的决定是艰难的。。。

作者: joanmiao 时间: 2011-2-23 14:39:15

本帖最后由 joanmiao 于 2011-2-23 14:41 编辑

earthquake emergency line: 111 or 0800 779 997 and red cross line to lodge missing ones or inqueries 0800 733 276

作者: poppet 时间: 2011-2-23 14:40:03

本帖最后由 poppet 于 2011-2-23 14:41 编辑

这标题有点煽动了，如果只剩一个中国人在里面，那救援队真的有可能是王八蛋。但是如果不止一个种族的人在里面，那么他们的决定是艰难的。。。
萨米发表于 2011-2-23 14:36

我没有煽动的意思,可能是看到新闻太激动了,店里的几个小姑娘都急哭了
救援队工作程序安排如此,我也是理解的

作者: maluo 时间: 2011-2-23 14:44:01

救援原则之一：先救有生命迹象的。

作者: siogine 时间: 2011-2-23 14:58:58

转移到PGC后已经有人就出来了

2.34pm
A woman has been rescued from the ruins of the Pyne Gould Corporation building in central Christchurch, more than 24 hours after being trapped by the earthquake.
Wrapped in blankets, the woman was lifted down to an ambulance, to the applause of onlookers.

作者: 酷到底 时间: 2011-2-23 15:16:41

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作者: missmia 时间: 2011-2-23 15:18:45

转移到PGC后已经有人就出来了

2.34pm
A woman has been rescued from the ruins of the Pyne Gould Corporation building in central Christchurch, more than 24 hours after being trapped by the earthquake. ...
siogine 发表于 2011-2-23 14:58

这是Pyne Gould Building啊，希望同样的奇迹也可以发生在CTV building.
但是这个时候大家可以多一些信任和支持吗？CTV附近的情况也很危机，Hotel Grand Chancellor有倒塌的迹象。

Earlier, rescue efforts were stopped at the CTV building as searchers had seen no signs of life in eight hours, but it is believed it may also have been because of the danger from the nearby hotel.

Fifteen people had been reported by different media as being found alive in the Canterbury TV building in Christchurch, but a rescue effort spokesman speaking on Radio New Zealand this afternoon said there had been no signs of life in the CTV building for eight hours.

作者: ki_ki 时间: 2011-2-23 16:03:49

本帖最后由 ki_ki 于 2011-2-23 16:06 编辑

为什么人手不够？？！！

国内可以来一大批人

作者: 雪梨樱桃 时间: 2011-2-23 16:04:02

我想请问一下截图里面的话，看上去是那个人的老公啊？？？老婆被埋了，他在上skykiwi？？？

作者: poppet 时间: 2011-2-23 16:21:45

我想请问一下截图里面的话，看上去是那个人的老公啊？？？老婆被埋了，他在上skykiwi？？？
雪梨樱桃发表于 2011-2-23 16:04

好像是呀,,我在skykiwi新闻下面看到的回复,好揪心阿

作者: love_3_month 时间: 2011-2-23 16:29:38 标题: 回复: 还有个中国人在CTV大楼下，为什么救援队就要撤离阿！！

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[quote]转移到PGC后已经有人就出来了

2.34pm
A woman has been rescued from the ruins of the Pyne Gould Corporation building in central Christchurch, more than 24 hours after being trapped by the earthquake. ...
siogine 发表于 2011-2-23 14:58

作者: prayer914 时间: 2011-2-23 16:46:59

这里就是这样, 觉得有危险的, 就不会让人进去救人. 跟国内那些军人, 共产党员不能比啊......

作者: katzprint 时间: 2011-2-23 16:50:55

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作者: 雪梨樱桃 时间: 2011-2-23 16:54:24

国内是用人命来换人命，这里是先保证活着的人的生命，其实也没有什么不对的，只不过心理上难以接受而已

作者: oya 时间: 2011-2-23 16:56:02

那个老婆还被埋自己上sky的人是不是实在没办法了?看得人心理真难受,能不能自己找一些朋友雇一些机器去做?虽然说没有生命迹象8个小时,但最起码没见到人就还有希望的,虽然说需要专业知识,救援队没时间那自己带人挖也好过以后一辈子难受了,毕竟自己尽力了

作者: prayer914 时间: 2011-2-23 17:02:32

27# 雪梨樱桃

洋人没有那种雷锋的精神啊. 逼人进去救, 是肯定不对的, 但如果有人自愿进去救呢?

作者: 酷到底 时间: 2011-2-23 17:04:14

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作者: LightHunter 时间: 2011-2-23 17:05:46

那个老婆还被埋自己上sky的人是不是实在没办法了?看得人心理真难受,能不能自己找一些朋友雇一些机器去做?虽然说没有生命迹象8个小时,但最起码没见到人就还有希望的,虽然说需要专业知识,救援队没时间那自己带人挖也好 ...
oya 发表于 2011-2-23 16:56

看他的语气好像人不在基督城？说什么拿签证的。真可怜啊。

作者: missmia 时间: 2011-2-23 17:08:02

新西兰的国情与中国不同，他国的救援部队也陆续到达，救援工作还在进行中，请大家全面的关注主流媒体新闻，过了28了小时，不要妄下定论。给救援部队多一些支持和鼓励。

作者: bigbear 时间: 2011-2-23 17:33:39

本帖最后由 bigbear 于 2011-2-23 17:39 编辑

Stop using the Hotel Grand Chancellor going to collapse as an excuse for not saving people, these two buildings are 3 blocks apart.

Only six buildings fully collapsed in ChCh that trapped people, stop yelling there is no resource.

It is just another Pike River........."It is too dangerous to going down there (as we NZ police only know how to issue speeding ticket)"

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Hotel+Grand+Chancellor+Christchurch,+Cashel+Street,+Christchurch,+Canterbury,+New+Zealand&daddr=161+Cashel+Street,+Christchurch+8011,+New+Zealand+(Hotel+Grand+Chancellor+Christchurch)&geocode=FaW9Z_0dakJKCiEGCQyM-NNH7A%3BFU6-Z_0drVBKCiG-0Kz_5FXyXQ&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=-43.532473,172.640823&sspn=0.003018,0.007639&ie=UTF8&z=18

作者: John.G 时间: 2011-2-23 17:46:36

谁挖出来归谁，单身的赶快去，
克拉克你赶快去，一边哭一边挖，拿手刨，刨出血来，绝对又救人，又对自己有好处
我要在基督城，绝对请一天假，仰天长啸干这个事
武夫的眉笔发表于 2011-2-23 14:12

现在基督城已经开放国内航线了。。
你可以去如愿了。

作者: powergod1 时间: 2011-2-23 17:51:35

是日本学生TRAPPED IN THERE

作者: powergod1 时间: 2011-2-23 17:52:01

from a language scholl

作者: missmia 时间: 2011-2-23 18:00:08

Very Sad News

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new ... p;objectid=10708252
Christchurch earthquake: CTV building 'not survivable' - police

Police have abandoned all hope of finding survivors at the collapsed Canterbury TV building in central Christchurch.

Inspector Dave Lawry said he was "100 per cent" certain those trapped in the building, including a non-sworn police staff member and a group of overseas students, were dead.

All emergency personnel have been moved away from the building because of danger the unstable Grand Chancellor Hotel would collapse onto it, he said.

He felt particularly sorry for the family of what is believed to be a group of Japanese students who died inside.

"At a certain point I'm not going to risk my staff for people where I believe there is no chance of survivability."

Fires burned in the CTV building overnight and no signs of life have been detected there by cameras or listening devices.

Christchurch area commander Dave Cliff said the loss of a staff member in the building was painful.

It meant police could relate to the loss and desperation being suffered by family with loved ones still trapped, he said.

Nancy Wu, whose husband Paul Wu is among the missing in the CTV building, said news that search and rescue workers were putting efforts at the site on hold was "devastating".

"But hopefully they will return and not give up because people can still be alive for many hours. We are not giving up hope."

Miracle rescue a ray of hope

A woman who was trapped but uninjured in a narrow, cramped space in the pancaked PGG building for just over 25 hours has now been rescued.

Ann Bodkin was carried out on a fire truck ladder this afternoon.

Her husband Graham Richardson spoke to the Herald about the amazing rescue.

When asked if he held any hope that Ann was alive overnight, he said: "You always hope.

I had lots of people around me helping and praying that she'd be fine."

He said the rescuers were "just unbelievable".

"Seeing those guys in the building with an aftershock going on is just scary as.

"It takes so long to get someone out. It's just amazing.

"I can't believe the job they've done. Getting her out is just stupendous. I'm a very happy man. I obviously feel for all the other people waiting to hear."

Mr Richardson said when Ann came out, she couldn't even turn to look at him because of her neck brace and she just giggled.

He said he couldn't describe the feeling when he was told that she was still alive inside the building.

"I was told to get myself down here because she was asking for me. I didn't break any speed limits but I got here pretty quickly."

Christchurch mayor Bob Parker also witnessed the rescue. "When she came out, she said to her husband, Graham: "I didn't know if I was going to see you again, but I was determined to see you again."

Graham was in "an incredibly emotional state," said Mr Parker.

"That moment of connection and relief was just palpable."

Ann Bodkin was immediately taken away for a medical check-up after being rescued.

"She was complaining of being a bit sore because she was on one side for a long time," said Mr Parker

"In the midst of what has been by and large one of the bleakest days in the story of our city, the sun came out at the same moment as they removed Ann from that building.

"They got Ann out of the building and God turned on the lights.

"They got a blanket in underneath her and there was painstaking work to cut back the concrete and the steel. They moved her out very gently to the end of the ladder and it was extraordinarily emotional.

"The rescuers then put a pair of sunglasses on her because she'd been in the dark for so long.

"Ann is one of the miracles of the day. When you feel something like that it's a moment of hope and optimism."

Grant Lord, the officer in charge of the rescue site at the PGG building, earlier said the team was trying to access to Ann from underneath where she was, but if that didn't work they were going to go through the top of the building.

He said the woman did not appear to be injured and was actually "very chirpy" and in good health. The woman had taken cover under a chair or a desk when the earthquake had struck.

Ann was the fourth survivor to be pulled from the PGG building today.

作者: sherry_nz 时间: 2011-2-23 18:03:40

这次基督城满惨的

作者: love_3_month 时间: 2011-2-23 19:04:47

撤离是因为认定里面没有生还者了，所以集中力量救其他地方有生存者的。

当然我们可以指责他的“认定”不一定准确，但既然让他来做决定，就是相信他的判断。

另外，也可以说“只要有一分的希望，就要付出100分的努力去救人”，但反过来说，更应该把100分的努力用在有50分60分希望的人的身上。

之前文章有说，救援者看到尸体，有的也没有时间去拉出来，因为当时的重点是去找生还者。

谁都不好受的。。。。

作者: risenfan 时间: 2011-2-23 19:35:42

斑竹你給的標題和內容都太片面了，資源有限，不管是中國人還是什麼人，他們盡力了，要prioritise的，新聞要看全。

作者: 2233aaa 时间: 2011-2-23 19:45:52

就几个BUILDING。。。CHCH这么缺人力么？

作者: catchan 时间: 2011-2-23 19:48:00

不会的，不管你是哪国人没有特殊原因，大家是不会放弃援救。这个版主怎么可以在这里煽风点火乱讲。
北岸卫星电视08 发表于 2011-2-23 14:14

對, 不要搞事了, 他們放弃援救一定有原因, 再者, 不要說什麼有中國人.....這個時候不是分人種的時候, 相信裡面kiwi的人數一定比中國人多

作者: Ardell假睫毛 时间: 2011-2-23 20:03:33

这个标题让人看了真的很不舒服，不管是哪里人，都是一条命，现在不是说国籍种族的时候。

作者: bigbear 时间: 2011-2-23 20:56:58 标题: 回复: 还有个中国人在CTV大楼下，为什么救援队就要撤离阿！！

本帖最后由 bigbear 于 2011-2-23 21:03 编辑

据说在日本政府的压力下，救援又恢复了，说里面压了30个日本学生

现在tvone在播昨天ctv楼的救援情况，大概有二十多救援人员

发送自我的 Desire HD 大板凳

作者: prayer914 时间: 2011-2-23 21:20:38

本帖最后由 prayer914 于 2011-2-23 21:21 编辑

刚才电视上说. 昨天晚上, CTV里面有个人, 还跟她老公打了电话, 说她和其他四个人, 都活着. 到现在, 才过了一天, 就说都死了???? 让人怎么信服???? 她老公真可怜. 如果没收到电话也就算了, 但明知道他老婆活在里面, 但没人救, 那是怎么样的感觉啊???

作者: sammy1112 时间: 2011-2-23 21:27:12

對, 不要搞事了, 他們放弃援救一定有原因, 再者, 不要說什麼有中國人.....這個時候不是分人種的時候, 相信裡面kiwi的人數一定比中國人多
catchan 发表于 2011-2-23 19:48

是呀！绝对不可能有这回事！就像catchan说的一样，受难的白人绝对比中国人或者其它种族的人多！

作者: 归来开放 时间: 2011-2-23 21:30:03

LZ一女生就是心软看到同胞被埋，着急随口一说，并无其他恶意

31楼的那个油画不错

作者: poppet 时间: 2011-2-23 21:38:13

发帖本无恶意,是太多人自己敏感了吧
上班族爱打口水战难道成风气了?拜托,现在是齐心协力关心chch地震的时候,别做无聊的人身攻击
题目我也承认偏激了,但是那是看完新闻后不到三分钟发的贴,因为当时实在看到救援撤离心情实在太难受了,同事有哭出声来的！一时难以接受. 麻烦各位口下留情吧，想找茬的找别人帖子去，我没心情也没时间奉陪，谢谢

作者: gazer 时间: 2011-2-23 21:40:14

如果自己的家人在里面，只要没见到尸体，就算用手刨也要挖出来.........

作者: homealone 时间: 2011-2-23 22:06:59

不是那么简单的，不是人多就好。听NewsTalkZB说，现在并不希望很多人去，而是要专业人员。不是多几个人去抬就能救出来的。倒塌的建筑危机四伏，先不管说救援人员的安全，不懂得人抬错了一根梁，很可能就改变重力结构，给埋在下面的人更多的危险。要相信专业的救援队.现在电视里也是强调要有专门技术的人，我们还是捐点钱，不要去添乱了。以后救援结束了，你要想献力，可以去清理等

作者: 小人儿雪糕 时间: 2011-2-23 22:25:53

谁挖出来归谁，单身的赶快去，
克拉克你赶快去，一边哭一边挖，拿手刨，刨出血来，绝对又救人，又对自己有好处
我要在基督城，绝对请一天假，仰天长啸干这个事
武夫的眉笔发表于 2011-2-23 14:12

万一挖出来个凤姐，你也认了呗？

作者: jennifer_wen 时间: 2011-2-23 22:36:34

让人看了好心酸啊。。。。

作者: 小人儿雪糕 时间: 2011-2-23 22:37:34

除了亲戚朋友，我很少哭
是我冷血么？
只是看到镜头上出现的老妇人，从地上爬起来，看她们哭的绝望的样子，有些难受而已

作者: tli004 时间: 2011-2-24 00:24:05

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作者: 武夫的眉笔 时间: 2011-2-24 00:31:33

我觉得你就是一个多大的裤衩都罩不住的生殖器。这么多人死在废墟底下，全国上下不知道能不能找得到你这么说话的人。这边讨论别人营救不力，这边拿别人的生死说风凉话。你还是人不？
tli004 发表于 2011-2-23 23:24

你看不懂人话，我看才不是人

一半玩笑，一半认真，躲在家里等救济不添乱是一种态度，力所能及做一点事情也是一种态度，真救出一条人命来，你看她甘不甘心嫁给你

天气很冷，那边估计雨季也到了吧，有些简单的救灾清理工作早晚要做，还不如早做，百姓能做的，尽量少动用政府力量，不然多下几场雨，损失更大

作者: d_tsai 时间: 2011-2-24 01:28:55

本帖最后由 d_tsai 于 2011-2-24 01:33 编辑

的確看那個挺著很大的雙下巴的老警員慢條斯理的說話從他聲音裡感覺不出任何一點的焦慮或關懷.

呵呵難怪他說 "100% sure there's no survivors" 不進去救那半點機會都沒有了

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