Canon 550D新手使用最佳walk around general purpose镜头

Anais

PLA1987 发表于 2011-11-28 20:40
http://bbs.skykiwi.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1785204
这是我我前不久的帖子
最后我听取了楼上 ...

17-55啊，嗯，谢谢。把这个记下来。

55-250...刚在你帖子里看人说二代不如一代？说用料质量减了什么的？不知道只是说built quality还是image quality。 5555~~~~

我比较确信，我好像是二代的。唉~~~~

但是那个lens我真的很少用，因为上次出门拿它拍远处去不了的塔，全是虚的，还有紫蓝色的散光边边，好像叫做color aberration? 感觉好烂。所以就压箱底了。不过又听说还是不错的，可能是我操作不当吧，改天拿来再试试。

嗯，谢谢啦。

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铁牛 发表于 2011-11-28 22:49
you are welcome.

>>>and for the far distance photography with people in here, would you say, 35 a ...

Cool! I like snapping none posing subjects! Will definitely think about 17-55.

Unfortunately, with my knowledge and skill, some of your description is still too technical for me, can't understand fully. Suppose I'll find out what they mean in real world with time. But do know more light being able to get through the lens, the better, so getting the rough idea.

I'll have a look on dpreview, and see what you mean about the charm of the ultra wide angle.

my 55-250... maybe because I was photographing in a cloudy day, without tripod, and lack of manual adjustment? Had a look the photos taken with it again, did look really bad and useless. Suppose reasonable telephotos never equal to quick photo with camera built in scenery mode？

Can't thank you enough, you're most helpful and patient. :)

PS, if not too much trouble, could you have a look this problem for me? And it's written in Chinese, in case if you don't know Chinese and are happy to help more, please let me know, I'll rewrite it in English.
Here is the link:
http://bbs.skykiwi.com/forum.php ... &page=3#pid30451901
Please have a look 82#, starting from 3rd paragraph, line 3.

Many thanks, and goodnight. :)

drumaurora

我的第1只非套頭,就是canon 18-200,玩了兩三個月, 成像質量著實讓人受不了~   不過MM如果是玩玩的心態,也未嘗不可.

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drumaurora 发表于 2011-11-28 23:21
我的第1只非套頭,就是canon 18-200,玩了兩三個月, 成像質量著實讓人受不了~   不過MM如果是玩玩的心態,也未 ...

;47;谢谢~~~ 楼上的好心人已经跟我解释了，我正打算放弃考虑super zoom镜头。
不过听你这么一说，我更加确定了。;47; 需要来回换镜头就换吧，实在不行咱不缩拍远距离景物了。

呃~~~ 还有，几百上千块啊，才不要买来玩玩，太浪费了。
宁可不买，或者真的绝对需要，或者就干脆一次到位，买个最好的，贵就贵，算了。反正好镜头挺保值的。我叔叔好像还在用他一些原来胶片相机换下来的镜头呢。呵呵~~~

drumaurora

Anais 发表于 2011-11-29 00:24
谢谢~~~ 楼上的好心人已经跟我解释了，我正打算放弃考虑super zoom镜头。
不过听你这么一说，我更加 ...

其實, 成像不錯的, 24-70算是很經常用的了, 基本上也算是可以一鏡走天下了~

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drumaurora 发表于 2011-11-28 23:29
其實, 成像不錯的, 24-70算是很經常用的了, 基本上也算是可以一鏡走天下了~

刚有人跟我说千万别买那个。。。。。。

可能是因为我用cropped body? 24-70只有在全幅机身上才能体现出优越性？呃~~~ 谢谢推荐，我再去多调查调查这款镜头。

目前在想，要不要败17-55. 呵呵~~~
每次都这样，想好了一定要买什么，可是最后很可能买了一个跟一开始想要的完全不一样的东西。

drumaurora

還好吧, 只是說,全副相機上面24-70的廣角端優勢稍大些, 但是形變也還是比較嚴重吧, 不過紫邊現象比18-200好很多.

liduff

from: http://http://www.kenrockwell.com/

If you're a full-time pro and use this all day, every day, of course it's worth it.

If you're a student for whom cash is tight, then no, it's absolutely not worth it. You'll make the same images with the 18-55mm II kit lens, and have enough cash left over to go on some great trips to make photos you otherwise wouldn't. For you, the less expensive lens will make much better images.

Some lenses, like the 100mm Macro and 17-40mm, autofocus almost perfectly on all my Canons. Others, like this 17-55mm, miss occasionally. I'd suggest checking this carefully before your return period expires to ensure you're happy, since if you can't get good focus at f/2.8 you miss some of the value of this lens.

I'd prefer the 17-85mm IS, for half the price as the 17-55mm IS, for the longer zoom range. The disadvantages of the 17-85mm are much more distortion, and crammed together zoom settings at the wide end.

Personally, I'd stick with the $100 kit lens and save my money if cost is a concern. I'd rather put limited funds into other lenses, like the 10-22mm EF-S. If cost isn't a concern, this is your lens.

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drumaurora 发表于 2011-11-28 23:38
還好吧, 只是說,全副相機上面24-70的廣角端優勢稍大些, 但是形變也還是比較嚴重吧, 不過紫邊現象比18-200好 ...

嗯，谢谢推荐~~~ 紫边儿。。。。。的确很讨厌啊，唉~~~ 不过那个价格，而且听人说成像质量和IS什么的都比不上其它一些镜头啊，价格似乎贵了18-200不少。暂时感觉不考虑它了，以后有钱有机会有需要了，也许整来败败。:) 谢谢MM帮忙啦。

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铁牛 发表于 2011-11-29 15:39
24-70's resoluton is a lot worse than 17-55, and it is a lot more expensive, and it has no IS, apsc  ...

don't worry, it's not in my consideration range. :) seriously thinking 17-55 now... but have to wait till I get a reasonable range of price comparison, and trying to research out a little bit more on it's competitor, cheaper but close match ones, such as the sigma you've recommended.

So for the dpi problem, do you get same auto recognition too? all your photos transferred from DSLR into pc, you open them up with default 72dpi huge photo in photoshop?

What do you do? adjust resolution manually in photoshop? or just retouch, and take to a print shop, let them manage the rest?

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liduff 发表于 2011-11-29 16:44
from: http://http://www.kenrockwell.com/

If you're a full-time pro and use this all day, every  ...

thought I'm gonna to stick with 17-55... but thank you for all the good comments, and sharing experience with me.

Quite an excellent point you've made, is it more worthy of paying on an extra lens with limited and rather poor photography skills? Or more rewarding to save the amount to see more places?

Maybe should sharpen up my skills seriously right now, so I can fully understand how much more I can utilize my kit lenses, and know more about what I really need with top priority...

Now, I think I'm a bit too greedy and lack of focus, zoom, convenience, image quality, excellent af and IS, low light performance, all these with budget consideration on top... Not a good strategy in getting a new, useful and essential lens...

Well, thank you all for all your help and great comments, helped me to understand a lot more of what I may need, and what good lenses I may find useful. :)

PLA1987

17-55 堪称佳能的半幅镜皇，舍得多花几百块钱，且能放弃长焦，就是不二选择
唯一缺点就是镜头的阻尼，长焦那半段非常松，镜头朝下的话能自己伸出来
BTW，这镜头可不轻，算挺有分量的

TwinMG

Anais 发表于 2011-11-27 16:12
zooming range不够。
估计picture quality还赶不上50mm f1.8吧？
也许是个不错的镜头，但对我来说，感觉 ...

I own a canon 50 f1.8 and 17-40 f4 L now.  And used to have a 18-200, it gives enough range but I am not happy with its quality. I think 17-55 plus 50-250 gives you the better value. Sold my 18-200 after bought 50 f1.8 II. 50 f1.8 is the better lens I ever had and it only costs you $180 dollars.

TwinMG

Anais 发表于 2011-11-27 20:00
要是对成像，对zoom都有要求呢？
虽然zooming为主，但成像也不能太烂的呢？

旅游拍景不需要zoom range, but you definitely need a wide angle for landscape i.e. 17-40. 15-85 is a really good all purpose lens, solid build plus reasonable photo quality.

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TwinMG 发表于 2011-11-29 21:06
I own a canon 50 f1.8 and 17-40 f4 L now.  And used to have a 18-200, it gives enough range but I  ...

yeah, 50 f1.8 is great! for its IQ and price.
But wasn't much of a fair competition either, prime is naturally better for IQ.
Anyway, I love it however sadly only for its review and value and capability, haven't utilized it at all, but just glad to know someone else have it and love it too.

And I think I'm quite certain to stay away from super zoom now.
Now thinking:
17-55 or
17-40 or
10-22

TwinMG

Anais 发表于 2011-11-27 22:22
可是我列的ｔｒａｖｅｌ　ｌｅｎｓｅｓ里面，除非了ｃａｎｏｎ本家的１８－２００比你那个１８－１３ ...

after read all your post, I do not think you need SLR.

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PLA1987 发表于 2011-11-29 18:49
17-55 堪称佳能的半幅镜皇，舍得多花几百块钱，且能放弃长焦，就是不二选择
唯一缺点就是镜头的阻尼，长焦 ...

果然事事无完美，我估计它再重也不能重到70-200去吧。只要在70-200 1/3-1/2左右的size我都能克服了。
但是镜头过松自己掉下来伸缩这个问题可真讨厌。
万一要拍俯视角度呢？拿手稳着？手能有多稳，指不定得抖，这不妨碍镜头AF么？
唉~~~ 谢谢告知。

对了，刚有一位强力推荐17-40，你有啥使用心得没？ 我知道太广角连中焦都是在cropped机身上才能勉强到达。但就镜头本身performance IQ 而言？
老实说，当初推荐17-55给我的那位好人说的一句话，让我非常动心，17-55AF超群，抓拍没有特意摆造型的人物动物很赞。而且low light比较好，室内室外都适用。

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TwinMG 发表于 2011-11-29 21:17
after read all your post, I do not think you need SLR.

probably you really mean this: I think you can't manage SLR?

It's actually a truth, but I've bought one already, better learn and use it. And so far, it does solve some of my problems that compact couldn't. Love the image quality, however, only for landscape not for portraits yet.

Well, there is always a group called "learner", in any area. It's not about what they know and how good they are, it's more about the willingness to learn, and to know.

liduff

Anais 发表于 2011-11-29 18:43
thought I'm gonna to stick with 17-55... but thank you for all the good comments, and sharing  ...

hey.. 我就在用17-55.  我觉得她是无可替代的。  我准备换FULL的时候都不知道用什么镜头了。

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liduff 发表于 2011-11-29 22:23
hey.. 我就在用17-55.  我觉得她是无可替代的。  我准备换FULL的时候都不知道用什么镜头了。

听你这样说，我又觉得高兴，有稍觉得有点举棋不定。我对17-55目前感觉挺有信心的，所以多一个人认真仔细分析过后还说好的，让我信心更增。
但是举棋不定在这儿：17-40 和17-55之间，如果只能选一个，你会选哪个，有什么原因么？因为我只能买一个啊。唉~~~~

Full frame...我不介意用full frame的镜头，因为cropped body也能用的。但是我把相机更新换代到FF这种可能，估计近几年来除非FF价格掉水沟里去了，不然不会考虑的。毕竟FF不但镜头贵，而且打印起来似乎也有不便？所以到底是不是FF镜头，是非能为将来更新到FF多做打算，这点我基本不care.

谢谢分享经验心得。

liduff

Anais 发表于 2011-11-30 00:01
听你这样说，我又觉得高兴，有稍觉得有点举棋不定。我对17-55目前感觉挺有信心的，所以多一个人认真 ...

和铁牛的想法相同。  17-40 还是算了吧，很多人用了觉得还好。 就像当时我买的时候一样，那个SALES说换full的时候再想买什么头吧。。

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铁牛 发表于 2011-11-30 08:00
kenrockwell's writing on 17-55 is pure rubbish, for one thing he doesnt appreciate the power of f2.8 ...

Haven't got a chance to read the full review yet, but since you said so, probably won't read that review either.
Now makes things easier, I think if I'd ever get another lens, 17-55 would be the one and luckily the only one on the list. :)

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liduff 发表于 2011-11-30 08:10
和铁牛的想法相同。  17-40 还是算了吧，很多人用了觉得还好。 就像当时我买的时候一样，那个SALES说换fu ...

:)嗯，谢谢。现在可以比较肯定的确定在17-55上啦。呵呵~~~

PLA1987

Anais 发表于 2011-11-29 22:26
果然事事无完美，我估计它再重也不能重到70-200去吧。只要在70-200 1/3-1/2左右的size我都能克服了。 ...

17-40在550D上跟17-55比，焦段没优势，成像没优势，光圈没优势，价格差不多
优点就是就多了个红圈，做工好一点
总体来说，如果暂时不想升级全副，17-55就算一步到位了

草未央

我跟LZ有一抹一样的想法。不过我的打算是要一个有比较大ZOOM RANGE的镜头--不要太重--用来拍远景或者人物动物一类。然后再自带一台小相机，大光圈，素质好的相机。这样就可以两全其美啦~~~

但我也在想，那款镜头即可以符合我的要求又不太贵。。。

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草未央 发表于 2011-12-19 16:29
我跟LZ有一抹一样的想法。不过我的打算是要一个有比较大ZOOM RANGE的镜头--不要太重--用来拍远景或者人物动 ...

我已经放弃了，经过好多童鞋的推荐和建议，我又一次深刻意识到，万事难两全其美，你总要做出一定牺牲。
super zoom恐怕不会给出什么好效果，要么频繁换镜头，要么听楼上童鞋们说的，别太贪心，找个成像效果不错的短焦偏广角的镜头，譬如17-55， 或者24-70，或者超级广角10什么的。

唉~~~~~
也许这就是菜鸟的惆怅之处？真到了一定程度，会发现器材神马的都是浮云？技术才真？