阿海please come in again USANA - it is a worth while business or a scam ??

ysun062

I have been approached by many people about joining USANA.

Here is what they'll say to u
1, Improve health, change your life, live healthy from now.
2. Make money, achieve financial freedom, be your own boss, let other people make money for you in the future.
3. Cost nothing, since you can claim it back through tax return.

At start I was against it 100%, but now i am 50/50. What they are saying is not entirely false.

Does anyone else here worked with USANA before ? is it really real about what they are saying ?

萨米

Interesting. I can always see Amwayers and USANAers blaming each other.

无过

Usana is good product but don't even think how to make money from it. Tax return is possible but just around $3000 a year.

ysun062

Usana is good product but don't even think how to make money from it. Tax return is possible but just around $3000 a year.
无过 发表于 2010-2-17 09:39

Well, a tax return of $3000 will cover the cost of running the business and self consuming of the usana product. Which is pretty good.

Ofcoz you wont make a profit from tax return.

无过

Now i am pretty sure you are the member of Usana.

ysun062

Now i am pretty sure you are the member of Usana.
无过 发表于 2010-2-17 10:04

then I have to tell you that you are totally wrong. I am not a member of USANA, come on man, just because I dont say bad things about USANA, it doesnt mean I am a member of USANA.

I just like to determine some facts and to listen to other people's experience

无过

then I have to tell you that you are totally wrong. I am not a member of USANA, come on man, just because I dont say bad things about USANA, it doesnt mean I am a member of USANA.

I just like  ...
ysun062 发表于 2010-2-17 10:10

How much do you know about the products?

The fact is most business activities are happening between Chinese.

ysun062

How much do you know about the products?

The fact is most business activities are happening between Chinese.
无过 发表于 2010-2-17 10:26

I have been approached by 3 or 4 USANA people to try to get me in. So I heard their side of the story, and I felt they have a common/very similar strategy to get people in.

They will make you feel as you are part of a group of successful, bright, smart people, its almost like religion, they have group meeting, social activities, and try to brain wash you. And for those reasons, I dont like USANA, i dont want to be brain washed.

But then I started to do some research on google, there seems to be reasonable argument on both side of the fence.

I do believe in the product itself is a relatively "good" health, but its over priced, other similar product are much cheaper.

And I am concerned that these USANA sales people are not telling the truth about money making side of things. They will say that you'll make 10000k per year in the first one or two year is easy, but i find out that 87% USANA sales wont make a profit at all. And USANA have a massive stuff turnover, most people just become a sales for a year or two and quit, so thats why they have to keep hiring.

But there are some successful sales who are making over $1000 per week. (from what i've been hearing, not sure if its true or not)

萨米

我还听说过卫生斤传销的，说得太神了，头痛帖头，脖子痛帖脖子，男女老少都能用。

无过

我还听说过卫生斤传销的，说得太神了，头痛帖头，脖子痛帖脖子，男女老少都能用。
萨米 发表于 2010-2-17 11:03

那太好了，以后不用买膏药了

葡萄紫

NEVER EVER TRUST DIRECT SALES AGIAN. I jointed USANA before and still got some expired product in my fridge T_T..... Also I do not like people who are doing direct sales... they just keep talking, like Tang Seng...

无过

NEVER EVER TRUST DIRECT SALES AGIAN. I jointed USANA before and still got some expired product in my fridge T_T..... Also I do not like people who are doing direct sales... they just keep talking, lik ...
葡萄紫 发表于 2010-2-17 11:10

the products are fine, why you don't take them. I like the products but hate the style of selling.

ysun062

NEVER EVER TRUST DIRECT SALES AGIAN. I jointed USANA before and still got some expired product in my fridge T_T..... Also I do not like people who are doing direct sales... they just keep talking, lik ...
葡萄紫 发表于 2010-2-17 11:10

so from your previous experience with USANA, is it very hard to make a profit ? or is it hard to get other people to be your "下线" ?

ysun062

下面的链接，有关于USANA在新西兰的详细分析，给楼主参考

http://www.nbr.co.nz/usana
yaoming11 发表于 2010-2-17 11:23

Thanks, I've read that article a few month ago (as part of my research), but thanks anyway.

Hondan

Usana is good product but don't even think how to make money from it. Tax return is possible but just around $3000 a year.
无过 发表于 2010-2-17 09:39

Be careful to claim tax benefit from doing such network marketing.

It's difficult to get IRD link, but try this: http://www.ird.govt.nz/technical-tax/revenue-alerts/revenue-alert-ra0901.html

阿海

As Robert Kiyosaki saids, Network Marketing is a great business toolfor the amateurs to get into the game of business, and if you have notconsidered it, then it is your loss

My fiancee and I have started our Usana part time business two years ago. We both have our full time jobs on top, and we are really just turtling along really.

We enjoy the products, the supplements are great at giving us more energy, and better well being.

While our USANA income pays part of our mortgage (and free health supplements), some of our friends who started at the same time or a bit later are collecting 4 figure cheques every week. It certainly beats the 12-14 hour days as a real state agent. Of course we see a lot of friends that failed along the way too, but that's part of managing your business. Remember that not everyone has the desire, passion, and dedication to be successful in the world of business.

Usana is just a stepping stone for me, as I'm more passionate about real estate investing. I'm now activily buying and selling land in the US part time, so I haven't been putting time in my Usana business for a while, but cheques still come in every week, so I can't complain.

ysun062

Be careful to claim tax benefit from doing such network marketing.

It's difficult to get IRD link, but try this: http://www.ird.govt.nz/technical-tax/revenue-alerts/revenue-alert-ra0901.html
Hondan 发表于 2010-2-17 11:41

Thanks for the info, I had a read, it seemed that IRD has picked up on this multilevel direct sales thing. But nothing is implement to stop these tax return from happening, it will take a significant amount of investment to change IRD's existing process.

DuDu妈

去年也有人叫我老公参加的，后来我还在这里问大家呢，最后决定不做。

1。我始终不明白，为什么那么好的营养品不直接推广到大众，为什么不上柜销售
2。没错是自己做老板，但是单靠卖东西没用，一定要拉下线做才真正可以赚所谓的收入。个人不喜欢这样拉人家来做，特别是对自己朋友。虽然说他们的下线结构不一样，下面收2个就好了，但是再帮助下线收，你一样获利，我觉得没有多大区别
3。没有花费？很多人都说可以退税，但那是在你亏得情况下面。IRD也不是傻瓜，你亏个2-3年，他不来找你问问话？亏你还做？有没有businessplan之类的东西？还有，Usana好像是每月必须买东西的，当你卖不掉东西，或者自己不需要买东西，就等于你的membership停了，这段时间所有的费用照例也不能claim，还有会影响到什么，好像是以后购买产品的优惠就没有了之类的 我忘记了

别听他们说自己有个副业轻轻松松，你如果没时间出去拉人的就别做。

总而言之，我个人不喜欢做这个，不喜欢，不喜欢，就是不喜欢

阿海

1。我始终不明白，为什么那么好的营养品不直接推广到大众，为什么不上柜销售
网络行销只是一种销售渠道，就像如下：
1）传统的店面行销 - 金钱投资大，支出大，赚钱亏钱很短时间就能知道，通常不适合没经验或没金钱和时间的人
2）网上行销 - 投资小，竞争大，适合有正式工作的人，但有时也很消耗时间（我有个朋友平时上班下班经营trademe生意，结果累得眼睛都瞎了2-3个月）。online business应该说是以后的主流，像trademe, ebay, 掏宝多赚啊。 最难的是产品定位。如果要自己设立网站，那traffic是非常头疼的事
3）网络行销
投资小，灵活，适合个人的时间来安排，风险小，支出小，回报高。 缺点：投入小，风险小，自然很容易堕落，收入开始头一年不乐观（也要看你时间付出，全职的努力的也能干出很好的成绩)

2。没错是自己做老板，但是单靠卖东西没用，一定要拉下线做才真正可以赚所谓的收入。个人不喜欢这样拉人家来做，特别是对自己朋友。虽然说他们的下线结构不一样，下面收2个就好了，但是再帮助下线收，你一样获利，我觉得没有多大区别
如果朋友不接受，那就别谈啦。做这生意是帮助朋友也帮助自己的，但如果朋友不想获得更好的健康和财富，那就别破坏朋友之间的感情嘛。网络行销和营养品不是每个人都能接受的。

3。退税
退税只是减少开销的一种方法，并且能减少你生意收入要交的税。用退税来赚钱的人没多久就不做的了，毕竟这是生意，赚不了钱的生意是维持不下去的。

Hondan

Thanks for the info, I had a read, it seemed that IRD has picked up on this multilevel direct sales thing. But nothing is implement to stop these tax return from happening, it will take a signific ...
ysun062 发表于 2010-2-17 12:56

It's implementing, just you don't know. I have two clients caught by IRD for investigation. The two guys don't take my advice which I told them you could only do one year for tax refund if you have no genuine intention to do the business.

Now they're in trouble. Not only they will return the tax refund but penalty and interest will impose as well.

ysun062

It's implementing, just you don't know. I have two clients caught by IRD for investigation. The two guys don't take my advice which I told them you could only do one year for tax refund if you hav ...
Hondan 发表于 2010-2-17 14:21

hmmmm,,, were those two guys involved with USANA business ? or some other business ?

ok, then I will take your word for it, if they are taking action to catch these tax returns, then it is very risky to enter this tax return business for multilevel direct selling business.

xiaolu

生意是用来盈利的，不是用来亏钱然后拿退税的。

无过

前一到两年退税还是没有问题的，但是长此下去谁都会觉得有问题，我还是那句话，自己吃吃就成了，没必要当多大的事业来做，金字塔的上面就那么多地方，新西兰就那么多人，总之不要被忽悠就好了

neilnz

传销也好，直销也罢，只要产品好，对大家有益，就不要介意他的经营模式。卫生巾直销也不是没有，而且好像挺火的，至于说能治什么什么病，那是扯淡，完全是一种不负责任的说话，但它的确有它自己的独特之处。

AndrewAUT

不管是AMYWAY还是USANA，产品本身没有什么问题。
至于到底是忽悠人还是是可以做的生意这个就要仁者见仁智者见智了。
喜欢就做，不喜欢就不做就好了。

欣薇

真不知道，为啥有那么多生意不做，非要做个传销呢？难道真的能赚钱吗？我周围就有一帮人是做这个的，老实说也没有觉得他们就挣到钱了，只是发现他们一家人都在吃，天天吃USANA。要是说健康，也没有觉得他们就多健康了，感冒发烧的常有。至于那几个吃红葡萄籽的，我也没有觉得他们的皮肤就好。所以我觉得只有买USANA的，做USANA的才会夸他的产品好，生意好。吸引下线嘛。

武夫的眉笔

我所见到身边做传销的都失败得不得了，但是我不知道他们是因为做了才失败，还是失败了才做

蓝魔之泪

凡事做任何事情，都有成功和失败的人。。。但为什么成功的人永远只会是少数呢？不是没有它的道理所在的。。。。其实这种失败的人，不管是做什么，永远也都是失败的。。。换了让他（她）去做任何事，他（她）都会给自己找个失败的理由和借口