Canon 550D新手使用最佳walk around general purpose镜头

Anais

PLA1987 发表于 2011-11-27 22:46
LZ 太纠结，等高人来解决你的问题吧

你是说我太挑剔了？一般这个情况的镜头也还可以了么？
可是好担心。。。。。。阳光比较充足都这样了，阴天怎么拍ｌａｎｄｓｃａｐｅ？晚霞什么的，简单的夜景什么的，可怎么办呢？
又不是会背着三脚架满街跑，动不动手动调焦距ａｐｅｒｔｕｒｅ的高手啊。
何况旅游么，都是速拍啦。多半没有讲究的条件啊。唉～～～～　
不是故意挑剔的，实在是不想几百上千买个没什么用很失望的东西回来啊。

masterq

Anais 发表于 2011-11-27 22:51
呃～～　谢谢分享经验。
教堂里的其实还好，因为ｌｏｗ　ｌｉｇｈｔ无闪光，能速拍成这样也还可以了。
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讓我解釋一下吧,河上哪張是因為在ニ只不同的船上,二个物体都在不停移动着,所以很難對焦,還是請高人解答你吧~~

Anais

masterq 发表于 2011-11-27 22:57
讓我解釋一下吧,河上哪張是因為在ニ只不同的船上,二个物体都在不停移动着,所以很難對焦,還是請高人解答你 ...

呃？这样啊～～～～　嗯～～～～　那似乎也ａｃｃｅｐｔａｂｌｅ．．．．．．
谢啦。
希望能找到用ｌｏｎｇ　ｚｏｏｍｉｎｇ　ｒａｎｇｅ镜头的人给点经验心得。
可能好多人用ＤＳＬＲ为的就是质量，唯一不怕的就是麻烦？估计用ｌｏｎｇ　ｚｏｏｍｉｎｇ　ｒａｎｇｅ　ｌｅｎｓｅｓ的人其实不多？
大家都会选择比较保守的伸缩范围？

Anais

masterq 发表于 2011-11-27 22:52
你還是問問其他高手吧,我只是一家之言....

别发吃的啊。。。。。。流口水了。。。。。。
不过看这几张的效果没放大不知道，光表面这么看，不会亚于１８－５５　ｋｉｔ　ｌｅｎｓ，还是比较Ｐｒｏｍｉｓｉｎｇｄｅ　．
嗯，谢谢分享心得经验。:)

Anais

wind1084 发表于 2011-11-27 23:14
又要马儿跑又要马儿不吃草哪里有这样的好事。
如果想要焦段广一点途方便，那18-200是不二选择，但是成像不 ...

可是还是有人旅游出门拿单反的啊，就算专家也会有这样需要long zooming range，simple 1 lens的时候吧？

而且我也没那么过分啦，我只不过想让马儿在可能的情况和竞争下能够是那匹跑得最快吃得最少的啊。唉~~~~~

18-200你是说range是不二选择么？还是那个镜头，如果是镜头的话为什么呢？tamron18-270也有不少好评的，唯一担心的是它的low light performance和auto focus速度到底差到什么地步了。
canon 18-200 wide angle时图像扭得太厉害了，跟tamron完全没法比较，所以也是我踌躇的问题，而且比tamron贵，比它zooming range小，成像效果好多人还说不如tamron. 但是也有人讲，这个is很强大，low light也比tamron好。可偏偏没人有图有真相或者稍微仔细比较一下下。害我都不知道大家说的那些区别和各自的不足之处到底有多严重，所以很痛苦的从google回来希望找到真用过的人出来说几句中肯的经验啊。

至于说不会比kit lens好，这点我要求也不高啊，别比kit lens还差就好啦。

masterq

這里有齐你所列的鏡頭介紹及測試報告,你自己慢慢看吧.....


http://www.dcfever.com/lens/reviews.php?page=4



防震天涯鏡
Sigma 18-200 F3.5-6.3 DC OS 測試報告



高倍、防震：Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS 實測

masterq

LZ買這支吧,一支過,一鏡走天涯,廣角又得,打雀又可以,合您要求,可惜沒2.8....


Canon EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM

Anais

masterq 发表于 2011-11-28 00:07
LZ買這支吧,一支過,一鏡走天涯,廣角又得,打雀又可以,合您要求,可惜沒2.8....

够专业又有力气的时候吧。。。。。
这玩意不便宜吧？
而且那么大个头。。。。我是背出去旅游还是背出去负重健身啊？唉~~~

Anais

wind1084 发表于 2011-11-27 23:37
不好意思我不怎么熟悉副厂镜头。
专家是不会为了“simple 1 lens”而选择“long zooming range”去牺牲画 ...

谢谢这么认真的回复。
问题是很多DSLR使用者并不是专家，还是有需要轻便各种range都大概能包括的一体镜头方便旅游日常什么的。真正要详细学习photography我明白是不会有人想拿这个来练的。

嗯，还没看到你上头的修改，我再去看看好了。谢谢。

masterq

CANON EF 28-300 F3.5/5.6L IS USM




  


Stock Code:     EF28300LISUSM
Price:    $ 3940.00

Anais

masterq 发表于 2011-11-27 23:47
這里有齐你所列的鏡頭介紹及測試報告,你自己慢慢看吧.....

啊，谢谢。

Anais

masterq 发表于 2011-11-28 00:19
CANON EF 28-300 F3.5/5.6L IS USM

谢谢~~~ 但这个。。。。。。太贵也太重了啊。。。。。 旅游带着，好像不太实际。
不过很感谢这么认真帮我找这么多资料。

Anais

wind1084 发表于 2011-11-27 23:14
又要马儿跑又要马儿不吃草哪里有这样的好事。
如果想要焦段广一点途方便，那18-200是不二选择，但是成像不 ...

嗯，谢谢，建议很中肯。
我只是在canon 18-200和tamron 18-270之间比较挣扎，希望能有一些使用过tamron此镜头的人给我点实际使用过的经验建议。

因为canon明显比tamron贵，zooming range又小不少，但据很多review网上看的，两款在bright day light之下成像效果不分高下，而canon在广角18mm的镜像扭曲非常严重，相比较tamron的就好很多了。

但是tamron的auto focus却是出奇的慢，而且Image stablizer也比较弱。所以拍摄移动物体（不是快速移动，就是普通移动），以及low light都差一些。

因为无法在low light的情况下在店家试用比较。而拍摄阴天，光线不太好，黄昏前后的机会还是有不少的，所以对此比较关注比较质疑。
希望能有用过tamron的人讲一讲所谓的auto focus很慢，IS不太好，到底是什么程度上的？是可以接受的呢？还是根本没必要买的呢？

简单的说就是比较中意tamron18-270，但是很介意它在无脚架不需要复杂调试光圈iso曝光等等的情况下，在基本的low light situation 试用机器自备的摄影模式或者自动模式时，peformance到底是什么程度的。如果这个根本不行，则很简单可以决定下来买canon的，可是如果这个所谓的比较差一点并不是什么大问题，甚至恐怕很难注意到区别，则在性价比上考虑会买tamron的。

Anais

铁牛 发表于 2011-11-28 08:46
there are a few misconceptions need correction.

1, "need a superzoom for travelling"

Thank you heaps for the detailed and thoughtful insights, much appreciated!

I know, with experiences and skills, people may always find and recommend to new comers: you don't need this and that, it's a waste, not worth while, stay with simple things, you'll be surprised how enough they're for your purpose already... and I do come to realize within super zoom lenses range, I probably am not going to find anything with better IQ than any of mine existing ones already: 18-55, 55-250, or 50 f1.8.

Probably I've just been stubborn, it's just during my last trip, I found that using an 18-55 isn't enough at all. Let's say, there is a beautifully carved roof sculpture, by roof we normally mean it will be 1 to 2 stories above the ground or even higher, then with 18-55, I just can't get a close up. I had to change to 55-250, annoying, and inconvenient... I'd doubt a 17-85... probably aren't enough for that distance at all...
eg. a friend jumped on a boat or run far away from me already, thought it's a good time to take a photo, yet unless I run after the friend, bring the distance closer, I won't be able to fast and efficiently take a photo... annoying truly...; or @ one scenery location, but seen something nice not far away, however it's another park, have to walk hours to the entrance, get out, and then go to the other side... no time... just want to photograph what I've seen now, again, zoom not enough, how frustrating. Change a lens? or give up? These are the reasons why I wanted or to say, still wanting a super zoom lens (being let down a lot while I'm searching for a super zoom lens, actually do start to think maybe shouldn't get one, haha~~~).

So meanwhile I do find, a super zoom lens would make my life easier.

I know I need to compromise a lot on IQ and focus speed and even IS, but just felt I need that zoom range...

And if it's a reasonable compromise, honestly, I may not tell the difference, after all, I'm just an amateur, might not see the IQ as what professional see, or serious IQ fans see.

I need reasonable photo, good @ standard printing size, won't see shaking edges, blurry ghost etc on my photo. A4 probably will be the maximum size I'd ever print out. I suppose with the smaller printing size, and "travel use quality" constraint, maybe a super zoom lens won't provide disappointing quality? May satisfy my need for convenience and IQ?

If I've got wrong here, please let me know.

And thanks again for your help, really have learned a lot from your advise, and will keep the lenses you recommended in mind, maybe as a replacement for my kit lens 18-55 sometimes when needed to upgrade IQ?

Anais

铁牛 发表于 2011-11-28 08:46
there are a few misconceptions need correction.

1, "need a superzoom for travelling"

Actually, I'm worried about the USM too... thought maybe I should wait.

Have you heard any rumors like canon is gonna to bring out new super lens to replace 18-200? with USM? 18-200 is an old lens isn't it? thought it's being released 07-08...

Well, being greedy again, but no idea where to check out for the industry news of what's coming... and if a new lens is on the way... might well just wait.

Anais

铁牛 发表于 2011-11-28 15:52
Lenses generally dont get an update within 5 to 7 years unless it is seriously outclassed by competi ...

en~~~ that's a really good point, since I never printed out any close up photos either... they stayed in my computer. normally printed out ones are only those with people or really stunning landscape (hardly ever landscape either)...

So shall we say, probably 18-55 is good enough? for a cropped body, 55 could go up maybe to 85? not much, but might be enough anyway, as you said, for landscape and people?

er~~~ how strange, thought I needed the convenience, and it will help to make things much easier, but since you've mentioned about the close ups, I suddenly realized the blind point: truly I never printed them out! And for nice gallery exhibition items, I would either not be able to photograph due to restriction, or can't manage to get rid of reflection caused by the glass protector, and I don't need long zoom for them anyway... wow, thanks for mentioning that out for me.

Now, could you give me a little bit more help here?
In such situation: my friend or family are on a roller coaster etc. (steady, not moving situation), and I've been asked to take a photo with quite a bit distance in between, let's say probably 5-15 meters? What lens I'd be needing, and what should I be aware of for taking a good print worthy one? No tripod, I never use them... -_-! (I do find my 55-250 produces useless photo at the long end, let's say, it's ridiculous, noisy, blurry, not sharp or print worthy at all).

And what do you guys actually do in a rainy day? For compacts，there're water housing, but for DSLR... can't use them wet, and no flexible and big enough water housing built either... it's a problem on my mind for a bit while now.

And just a thought, if I want to upgrade to a better IQ from my kit lens, (wide angle essential, tele, no. so 18 has to be covered at least), though need a bit zoom for easy use. Let's not taking price in consideration, purely performance and quality wise, which would you recommend? Don't mind L lens, although they might not be fully utilized on a cropped body, especially 550D not 7D, but who knows, maybe one day, can think of upgrading to a FF, anyway, good lens lasts, better investing in lens than body, at least that's what I thought.
And now, if the price for above is over the roof, can you suggest some more economical ones in different price level?

But, only if you have time. :)

Many thanks for your help.

variable

I am using a sigma 18-200 USM OS for my 550d, not bad.

Anais

variable 发表于 2011-11-28 19:34
I am using a sigma 18-200 USM OS for my 550d, not bad.

er~~~ thank you, but won't think about sigma 18-200 since 18-250 is out, seems to be a little bit better? @ IS power etc?

anyway, your sigma, how is it performing under low light? cloudy dark afternoon, before or after sunset? night on the street? if without tripod, no flash, and not much serious manual adjusting, simply use camera built in modes or auto(no flash) mode, can you take a print worthy picture?

PLA1987

LZ 你太能写啦，佩服佩服。
我也是听了好多高人的建议才出手的，但跟你比就是小巫见大巫了

PLA1987

LZ 如果以后不想烧下去，技术也比较有限，G12 这类相机更适合你。便携性好，成像效果不会差，且变焦倍率不低。 你的机身就足够换个G12了，经济又实惠，总之合适自己的就是最好的

Anais

PLA1987 发表于 2011-11-28 20:08
LZ 你太能写啦，佩服佩服。
我也是听了好多高人的建议才出手的，但跟你比就是小巫见大巫了

其实我忽然发现，这种问题可能不该问一般的高人，一般不太知道怎么教新手的高人，态度过于高傲，沉醉在技术和谁用这种明知出不了好效果的烂镜头中走不出来，忽视了菜鸟的需要。。。。。。觉得你又要轻，又要方便，干啥不用compact? DSLR你不背三脚架，不背镜头来回换，算什么DSLR？ 唉~~~~~

这种问题，反而是技术不用过硬，只要使用过这几个镜头的；或者是那种帮别人提意见的时候会关注到别人的需要和情况，或者就实际问题和对方的盲点以及了解错误的地方提出有针对性的质疑，譬如说上面那个跟我讲出我对super zoom有看法误区的那位，才能真正提供有建设性有帮助的意见。那些沉醉在自己的小世界摆姿态的高人，一上来教育你一番，无论你如何清楚反复的说了你到底需要什么为什么，却根本不看，一味在那自说自话跟你说看你需要什么了，然后长篇大论不顾你的需要，专注显摆自己，或者还有挖苦你，怎么不用拍立得什么的，真是不问也罢。

前日不幸见识了一些那样所谓的高人之后，我很庆幸，这个帖子里帮我的大家，都很中肯很helpful，目前唯一可惜的是，没有碰见有使用过tamron镜头的人就我的疑惑说说自己经验的。不过感觉也无所谓了，听上面某位说的一些话，我忽然觉得。。。。。。可能没必要要super zoom lens。不如正经考虑一个高像质效果的短焦靠广角这一边的镜头。

Anais

PLA1987 发表于 2011-11-28 20:22
LZ 如果以后不想烧下去，技术也比较有限，G12 这类相机更适合你。便携性好，成像效果不会差，且变焦倍率不低 ...

其实我在想，要真不烧了，sony cybershot wx10就挺好。最近大爱这机子，那个sweep panorama, 唉~~~ 真是要试一下啊，太方便了。不用自己在ps里费劲的贴照片接照片了。而且sony G lens比carl zesis  又好点，原本是他家给DSLR专门设计用的，最近才调整试用到compact的上了。而且真的非常小巧，紧身牛仔裤的兜里都能放得下了。7X optical，也不错了，还有点儿manual control, 24mm广角，高清1080i录像。 哈哈~~~~

不过还是不甘心么。出门旅游一趟不容易，看见好风景，有DSLR真舍不得拿compact拍摄。
DSLR，即便是用18-55的，拍摄出来的清晰度和效果，到底还是比compact好多了。唉~~~ 但不方便也是真的。

PLA1987

Anais 发表于 2011-11-28 21:29
其实我忽然发现，这种问题可能不该问一般的高人，一般不太知道怎么教新手的高人，态度过于高傲，沉醉在技 ...

http://bbs.skykiwi.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1785204
这是我我前不久的帖子
最后我听取了楼上这位朋友的意见，选择了第二套方案，不后悔，哈哈

Anais

铁牛 发表于 2011-11-28 20:21
>> >So shall we say, probably 18-55 is good enough? for a cropped body, 55 could go up maybe to 85?  ...

Thank you heaps.

which means, I can't take photo in a rainy day with my 550D, what a pity... you can never quite choose or control weather while traveling, but won't want to miss the chance to photograph where have been for memory. sad...

and for the far distance photography with people in there, would you say, 35 and 50mm, with 5-15ms distance, I can't people stand out from the background? would rather look like a overall view of the situation, without focusing on people? that definitely won't do for me. Maybe I should give my 55-250 another try. Actually I put it away for a long while now, since I was disappointed with it for most of the close up tele I've got from it. Good to know it has a potential to perform better, thanks. :)

in replacement of 18-55, you recommended 17-55 with priority, does this mean 17-55 produces much higher IQ than 18-55? If not much difference, I won't want to spend more money for a similar lens, if excellent IQ, surely need to get it at some stage.

10-22 and tokina 11-16, you said they're wide angle, and wont' make my 18-55 redundant. but Honestly, I won't need a wider angle than 18-55 right now, so far haven't found any kind of situation in need of a wider angle. So still, my focus would be more on image quality, not saving both lenses. What do you find about 10-22 and 11-16? do they give better IQ than 18-55? sharper image, more true color, less purple or odd color fringe? and of course less distortion on wide angle?

Thank you again, your comments are very helpful, I'll be aware to keep these lenses you've mentioned out when picking up my new lens. Actually I was thinking of 24-70 at some stage, as I remember, gladly to be able to eliminate it and narrow down my choice.

Anais

PLA1987 发表于 2011-11-28 20:40
http://bbs.skykiwi.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1785204
这是我我前不久的帖子
最后我听取了楼上 ...

60D 是sports camera吧？听说这个拍动景挺好的？
当时也挣扎过，60D 550D还是咬咬牙7D。哈哈~~~~ 最后觉得还是买了550D，因为我很少拍运动场景什么的。而且感觉不如多在镜头上下功夫，机身差不多就好了。

现在可惜了，听刚才一位跟我讲550D不带基本防尘防水，雨天完全不能用。唉~~~~ 旅游时稍微有点不方便啊。

嗯，谢谢啦，我去看看你说的链接。