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武夫的眉笔

I have recentely borrowed a book which has a chapter on resolving conflicts. I think there are a few points we can all benefit from (both for this post and for real life conflicts we encounter).These points are:( l: q. f% ]  ~/ f3 w0 r1 j Before taking any actions, evaluate your ability to resolve the issue. Is it possible to resolve the issue here in this post? Is internet forum even the right channel? I doubt it, because a. anyone can participate b. there has been too much history, and too much perception has already been formed. People's perception is incredibly hard to change. Thank the other person to working with you to solve your differences. This is crucial to establish a good limate of interchange. We need to acknowledge other people's side of story first, in order to establish some trust. No trust, no proper communication. Remember, communication is always two-sided. Don't go back in history It is good to see that LZ is discussing one issue at a time. This is a good starting point. During discussions we should avoid referring to issues outside the current scope. Show respect In face to face communication this is easier, since people are more likely to be held accountable for what they do. In cyber space, this basic point is often ignored, since creating an ID takes just a few minutes. This creates a big obstacle when trying to resolve differences on the forum. ! g+ B4 `+ \( k. c9 W2 e  i Ideally we should try to resolve differences in the real world, rather than on the forum. Failing that, I'd suggest the following changes: Discuss one issue per post State clearly what is in scope and what is out of scope List the exact ID's that can participate, and only allow those ID's to participate Having a third party mediator that both parties trust to monitor the post & l7 t1 ]1 R. U  E) g Of course all the above is assuming the parties are genuinely trying to resolve the issue here, rather than just having fun by posting random conversations. If that's the case then carry on and have fun!

_Alex_ 发表于 2011-5-26 20:53

说的全都对，

但是这里就是这么乱，我以往的帖子也都是直指某一个事或人，不过当事人往往会选择不出现，然后其他事件的当事人会进来骂，轮到说另一件事的时候，上一件事的当事人又适时的出现了

比如，版规是不可以骂脏话的，但是骂我是Clark开始被默许或者被鼓励的，直到今天，直到这个贴

现在不是两军对垒的正规战，就是有很多小号混在里面，就是有人直接骂，就这么个环境，很不利，但是就低下头给人家砍么？

也没必要，因为

1，真正的网友还是多数，比如你还在上班族
2，sky的管理层还不在他们手里，太过分的地方还可以去监督版

因为这两条，我这次就可以慢慢把东西写完，我学学怎么为人处事，别人也学学，都别高估自己低估别人，都要为自己说过的话做过的事负责

hungugu

说到点子上了，没错我就是你最不顺眼的石头，我的帖子里和你有没有关系你都要进来踢两脚

JustCars的帖子里有你的事么？

我发的帖子里问Lilac关你们这些人什么事了，她教训我一通，我说话我回她不正常么？你 ...
武夫的眉笔 发表于 2011-5-26 20:57

和你没有关系但是你又“踢两脚”的帖子多了。

只准你“维护正义”，不准人家纠正你的胡说八道（嗯，不是故意的胡说八道）……多么典型的流氓行径啊。

寒夜霜深

和你没有关系但是你又“踢两脚”的帖子多了。

只准你“维护正义”，不准人家纠正你的胡说八道（嗯，不是故意的胡说八道）……多么典型的流氓行径啊。
hungugu 发表于 2011-5-26 21:12

我絕不相信LZ是一個流氓，就算是，也是正義的！

耍流氓

平心而论我个人对clark是非常反感的
3年前我2003年注册的大号，发表了一篇帖子，就是评论男人女人的（不是现实中的，就是概论方面）
其中不知道哪点被clark看着不顺眼，他自己以身作则开骂，最后还恼羞成怒关我贴
并且说“不爽我就投诉去”，以及一堆更强烈的，透露出”我谁也不怕，你投诉也是白投诉“等强烈暗示信息的嚣张言语。
在我个人看来，我只是在概论的评论性别，与你clark何干？
难道作为斑竹，你就雄性荷尔蒙特别强烈，skykiwi的普通用户都必须对你听之任之，在你clark眼中都是一群小屁民。只要不按你思路走，就随便封贴封号么？
所以我认为，小方面来说，这样的人完全没资格做斑竹，不适合掌握管理权限。
大的方面来说，会给人一种skykiwi管理一团黑的感觉。

jordanchen

支持王子犯法与庶民同罪 244# 耍流氓

_Alex_

说的全都对，
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但是这里就是这么乱，我以往的帖子也都是直指某一个人，不过当事人往往会选择不出现，然后其他事件的当事人会进来骂，轮到说另一件事的时候，上一件事的当事人又适时的出现了# G. `# |7 Y: t1 o/ y  y

比如，版规是不可以骂脏话的，但是骂我是被默许或者被鼓励的, V# Y' D4 E( j; G: V" `5 L

现在不是两军对垒的正规战，就是有很多小号混在里面，就是有人直接骂，就这么个环境，很不利，但是就低下头给人家砍么？

也没必要，因为

1，真正的网友还是多数，比如你还在上班族! b( n* ?  _+ \' \$ A8 B
2，sky的管理层还不在他们手里，太过分的地方还可以去监督版
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因为这两条，我这次就可以慢慢把东西写完，我学学怎么为人处事，别人也学学，都别高估自己低估别人，都要为自己说过的话做过的事负责
武夫的眉笔 发表于 2011-5-26 21:12

What are you trying to do here? Are you trying to prove that you are right? This is impossible to do here, because we are not in a debating contest. By allowing everyone to participate, there is no way you can clearly state your points in a way that everyone can clearly understand. It is all too easy to digress. Unless you can implement suprior control all the time e.g. "I see what you are saying, but that's another discussion. Now, going back to the point we were discussing..." You need to say that all the time.

There is also no rules, no judges, no clearly stated topic.

Even if everyone agrees with you, so what? It has no real meaning to what you do, who you are in real life. People are here because they are bored, and you are providing some live entertainment for them. This is not adding value to your real life.

If you are interested in debating (I assume you are), you can join the toastmasters club, and try to become a national debating champion.

耍流氓

第一页的几个人，说了一些什么”LZ纯粹闲的“等类似的话的人，（回帖太多没有挨页看）。如果你们忘了，至少我还记得，QUEEN ST大字报男举个牌子说中国人是猪的时候，那么多人围观，LZ是唯一站出来，敢揪大字报男，要给他颜色的人吧？我说的对不对？
就凭这点，我坚决的支持楼主。我认为武夫的眉笔是正义的，LZ出来反驳的，至少是他认为的事实的，而不是在电脑下边睁眼说瞎话。

武夫的眉笔

What are you trying to do here? Are you trying to prove that you are right? This is impossible to do here, because we are not in a debating contest. By allowing everyone to participate, there is no way you can clearly state your points in a way that everyone can clearly understand. It is all too easy to digress. Unless you can implement suprior control all the time e.g. "I see what you are saying, but that's another discussion. Now, going back to the point we were discussing..." You need to say that all the time.) E) G- w, M: |. N8 ?* z7 W- V, J
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There is also no rules, no judges, no clearly stated topic.. v0 H5 u) S# H  z: H

Even if everyone agrees with you, so what? It has no real meaning to what you do, who you are in real life. People are here because they are bored, and you are providing some live entertainment for them. This is not adding value to your real life.
GIf you are interested in debating (I assume you are), you can join the toastmasters club, and try to become a national debating champion._Alex_ 发表于 2011-5-26 21:22

Alex，谢谢你
有些事，躲是躲不掉的，
最后可以改变的，整个的风气，和平从来不是单边可以期望的，需要平衡，你等着看我逆势而为的结果吧
这就像地震一样，震裂的房子与其担惊受怕修一辈子怕一辈子，不如再来一个地震，大家高高兴兴的重建，握手言和，珍惜生活

Clark1129

平心而论我个人对clark是非常反感的
3年前我2003年注册的大号，发表了一篇帖子，就是评论男人女人的（不是现实中的，就是概论方面）
其中不知道哪点被clark看着不顺眼，他自己以身作则开骂，最后还恼羞成怒关我贴
...
耍流氓 发表于 2011-5-26 21:17

1.如果有这事，我出门被车撞，如果没这事，你出门被车撞，就这样

2.还有，3年前我不但不是管理员，连版主都不是，那会是退休干部

3.你爱记仇，但是脑子实在不好使，我给你提醒下，去年大概6月的时候你在FML版发了个帖子号召大家抵制日货美货新西兰货等，还说买的用的人都是汉奸，然后还说反驳你的人都是没良心被挤压还给人家上税都是群没有良心的人，然后很多人包括我就问你工作交税没，你开的什么车，你很牛的说开德国的，然后有人说德国也侵略过中国，所以你也是汉奸，你就不说话了，开始骂人了。

嘴是用来说话吃饭的，脑子是用来思考的，不是胡乱编造然后凭借自己的想像胡编乱造的，你的记忆力不怎么地或者喜欢用受气包的形象自居给人栽赃，不代表别人和你是一路货色，所以第3点我帮你提醒下，好让你自己明白点，别用自己小肚鸡肠同时胡编乱造的言语误导大众

Clark1129

第一页的几个人，说了一些什么”LZ纯粹闲的“等类似的话的人，（回帖太多没有挨页看）。如果你们忘了，至少我还记得，QUEEN ST大字报男举个牌子说中国人是猪的时候，那么多人围观，LZ是唯一站出来，敢揪大字报男，要 ...
耍流氓 发表于 2011-5-26 21:25

是，你牛，你伟大，你从不在网上发表莫名言论

http://bbs.skykiwi.com/viewthread.php?tid=1502047&page=1#pid24735933

00001

平心而论我个人对clark是非常反感的
3年前我2003年注册的大号，发表了一篇帖子，就是评论男人女人的（不是现实中的，就是概论方面）
其中不知道哪点被clark看着不顺眼，他自己以身作则开骂，最后还恼羞成怒关我贴
...
耍流氓 发表于 2011-5-26 21:17

有时候是感觉不够客观~~~~

00001

其实武夫就是有点儿固执而已....不过这也没什么不好的!

Clark1129

其实武夫就是有点儿固执而已....不过这也没什么不好的!
00001 发表于 2011-5-26 21:41

你小子，别人栽赃我，你还+1，我太伤心了{:8_398:}

_Alex_

Alex，谢谢你
有些事，躲是躲不掉的，
最后可以改变的，整个的风气，和平从来不是单边可以期望的，需要平衡，你等着看我逆势而为的结果吧
这就像地震一样，震裂的房子与其担惊受怕修一辈子怕一辈子，不如再来 ...
武夫的眉笔 发表于 2011-5-26 21:30

I can understand you really enjoy this now. It may seem like a video game that got you really addicted now. Am I right? However unlike a video game, this is actually damaging your relationship with other people on the forum. This is also damaging your reputation here. Therefore this is not doing you any good.

I still recommend you to spend your time more wisely. In the end, no matter you "win" or "lose" all you can feel is endless hollowness.

• You can read a good book
• You can watch another good movie
• You can do more physical exersie
• You can spend more time with your girlfriend.
• And more importantly you can do things that'd help you to achieve your long term goal - go back to China to start your own business. Are you working actively towards this goal? You are over 30 now, and you need to put all your efforts in. It is a very competitive market there. Do you think you are well prepared for future challenges? If instead of wasting time here, you do some meaningful things that will help you to achieve your life time goal, you will feel much more satisfied in the end.

Remember, you only have one life. If you are not spending it wisely, it's your sole responsibility, not anybody else's. I'll go to bed now. Take care.

耍流氓

是，你牛，你伟大，你从不在网上发表莫名言论

http://bbs.skykiwi.com/viewthread.php?tid=1502047&page=1#pid24735933
Clark1129 发表于 2011-5-26 21:38

为什么你除了话里带刺，夹枪带棒
就没一句正常的呢
对你反感的人绝不在少数，至少这1页就有2个。
你不自我反省，反倒更加变本加厉。
是我不好，我压根不应该搭理你！

masterq

其实武夫就是有点儿固执而已....不过这也没什么不好的!
00001 发表于 2011-5-26 21:41

固執得有點過了，令人厭煩。

其实道歉与否，誰是誰非已不再重要，凸顯的反而是樓主做人和生活態度。

Clark1129

怪了，这帖子明明就是你莫名其妙的栽赃我，拿不出证据，我拿出你瞎掰的证据给你看，如果不是你在这里没事找事JJWW的找我麻烦，你以为我愿意答理你？现在你倒说我没事找事，逻辑再混乱也没有这么玩的，想和人打架记得拿出证据，别信口开河，否则吆喝一圈不但没别人的证据反被别人抓个正着，丢人现眼的是你自己，OK？

另外顺便回下武夫的PM，现在版主萨米在线稳定，一切由他决定

hungugu

不单单是固执的问题，而是对对自己近乎偏执的自信让他以为自己所猜所想就是真理。固执只是他捍卫这些"真理"的表现。

小小老鼠

yes, i enjoy that
love_3_month 发表于 2011-5-25 14:08

还是不要了吧。。。。

Clark1129

哈哈，我看笑了，对我不爽的这页就有两个，所以呢？我是不是该惭愧的找根皮带把自己办了？自己睁眼看看SKY现在有多少会员

另外不是针对武夫，我类比下，这个帖子里对武夫不爽的有多少？你好像是挺牛的损了我，其实好像是更狠的损了你支持的人吧，说你逻辑混乱说话不经大脑，还真是没冤枉你

寒夜霜深

是，你牛，你伟大，你从不在网上发表莫名言论

http://bbs.skykiwi.com/viewthread.php?tid=1502047&page=1#pid24735933
Clark1129 发表于 2011-5-26 21:38

哇，神帖啊。。。。Clark這就是你不是了，那麼有娛樂性的帖子竟然不早點轉過來公諸同好

00001

你小子，别人栽赃我，你还+1，我太伤心了{:8_398:}
Clark1129 发表于 2011-5-26 21:42

Clark,明人不说暗话.....首先我对你没什么意见! 希望你别误会....

其次,我上面的+1....是想表达有时候感觉你的观点不够客观,仅此而已....

其实也可以这么理解,我的观点可能和你的观点在某些问题的看法上颇有不同而已....也未必就会是谁有错误,或者谁的正确......

打个比方,就事实版的问题而言,例如之前网鬼的观点,实话说是比较偏激的,而且言论表现方面也不太文明....后来他也曾多次被禁言....本人对此不知是何缘故....但是在某些问题的看法上你之前对他的观点还是比较认同......这是我要说的话!

Clark1129

哇，神帖啊。。。。Clark這就是你不是了，那麼有娛樂性的帖子竟然不早點轉過來公諸同好

寒夜霜深 发表于 2011-5-26 21:55

我就是因为厚道，那个帖子自己再看的不舒服，也没封，也不想拉出来示众，现在人家反而给我栽赃，瞎编故事塑造自己可怜和我邪恶的形象，既然把我当个笨蛋玩，也就别怪我不给脸了

武夫的眉笔

I can understand you really enjoy this now. It may seem like a video game that got you really addicted now. Am I right? However unlike a video game, this is actually damaging your relationship with other people on the forum. This is also damaging your reputation here. Therefore this is not doing you any good.

I still recommend you to spend your time more wisely. In the end, no matter you "win" or "lose" all you can feel is endless hollowness.2 V/ x9 [  B) c( W
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• You can read a good book
• You can watch another good movie
• You can do more physical exersie
• You can spend more time with your girlfriend.
• And more importantly you can do things that'd help you to achieve your long term goal - go back to China to start your own business. Are you working actively towards this goal? You are over 30 now, and you need to put all your efforts in. It is a very competitive market there. Do you think you are well prepared for future challenges? If instead of wasting time here, you do some meaningful things that will help you to achieve your life time goal, you will feel much more satisfied in the end.

Remember, you only have one life. If you are not spending it wisely, it's your sole responsibility, not anybody else's. I'll go to bed now. Take care._Alex_ 发表于 2011-5-26 21:45

再次谢谢你的建议，你了解我的为人，这不是为了玩，我把它当作我的一个责任，一个目前我认为可以做的完的责任，如果有网友的支持就更好，一个人就稍微累一点，但我的估计是形势会好转，我说话始终会留余地，该说的事说，不该曝的事不曝，底牌永远会拿在手里不放出来，所以你不会看到尸横遍野的景象，这句话，希望大家都看到

我的时间多，生意不会停，但我也不会去一门心思赚钱，我有自己的局限，但是我也有我的命，就像你这么多年什么时候看见我学习过，什么时候工作过了，我不是也有些自己的小办法吗？这件事你相信我吧，但是请继续给我你的建议，我都会看进去，都会考虑

Clark1129

Clark,明人不说暗话.....首先我对你没什么意见! 希望你别误会....

其次,我上面的+1....是想表达有时候感觉你的观点不够客观,仅此而已....

其实也可以这么理解,我的观点可能和你的观点在某些问题的看法上颇 ...
00001 发表于 2011-5-26 21:58

这就对了嘛，说想法就说，咱交流，给人家编出来的故事+1，多伤我心

话说最近忙，精力少，很久没去时事版玩了

寒夜霜深

科普一下

偏执型人格，又叫妄想型人格，其行为特点常常表现为：极度的感觉过敏，对侮辱和伤害耿耿于怀；思想、行为 固执死板，敏感多疑，心胸狭窄；爱嫉妒，对别人获得成就或荣誉感到紧张不安，妒火中烧，不是寻衅争吵，就是在背后说风凉话，或公开抱怨和指责别人；自以为是，自命不凡，对自己的能力估计过高，惯于把失败和责任归咎于他人，在工作和学习上往往言过其实；同时又很自卑，总是过多过高地要求别人，但从来不相信别人的动机和愿望，认为别人存心不良；不能正确、客观地分析形势，有问题易从个人感情出发，主观片面性强；如果建立家庭，常怀疑自己的配偶不忠等等。持这种人格的人在家不能和睦，在外不能与朋友、同事融洽相处，别人只好对他敬而远之。



資料來源：http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/251694567.html

00001

你小子，别人栽赃我，你还+1，我太伤心了{:8_398:}
Clark1129 发表于 2011-5-26 21:42

就武夫的问题而言....熊猫本人是这么看的....

其实他这人一点儿不坏....而且比较喜欢坚持自己.....这个对不同的人而言,很难去说清楚好坏....但是本人倒是觉得他还是有他可爱的一面....虽然有时候可能会显得有些烦琐,但是总体来说,他个性方面,还是比较能够让人欣赏的!

Clark1129

就武夫的问题而言....熊猫本人是这么看的....

其实他这人一点儿不坏....而且比较喜欢坚持自己.....这个对不同的人而言,很难去说清楚好坏....但是本人倒是觉得他还是有他可爱的一面....虽然有时候可能会显得有 ...
00001 发表于 2011-5-26 22:01

我从没说过他是坏人，而且我相信这里没有坏人，包括栽赃我的那位

武夫的眉笔

怪了，这帖子明明就是你莫名其妙的栽赃我，拿不出证据，我拿出你瞎掰的证据给你看，如果不是你在这里没事找事JJWW的找我麻烦，你以为我愿意答理你？现在你倒说我没事找事，逻辑再混乱也没有这么玩的，想和人打架记得 ...
Clark1129 发表于 2011-5-26 21:48

谢谢，你能不插手要感谢，如果上次你没插手可能也不会闹这么大

其他如果栽赃你的，最好另开帖子讨论，不然楼盖太快了

未来也应该会谈到你，我打算尽量只引几个帖子，不会重新写，如有不实的你也可以指出来，到时再说吧，当然事情已经结束了，是历史了，只是让不清楚的看一遍，也包括看看出现在里面的诸位

小小老鼠

其实我就想说一句，我很佩服能看完第一帖的人

反正我是木有那个毅力。。。。。{:8_396:}