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作者: ECON-230 时间: 2011-8-24 21:18:19 标题: 我文盲了，大家给我解释解释---关于THE EMISSIONS RULE

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作者: shot 时间: 2011-8-24 21:21:51

泥马也看看

作者: 姚小盒 时间: 2011-8-24 21:25:42

diesel啊。现在柴油车已经都涨价了。

作者: ECON-230 时间: 2011-8-24 21:28:00

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作者: ECON-230 时间: 2011-8-24 21:29:58

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作者: shot 时间: 2011-8-24 21:32:47

今天去买泥马皮，贼贵贼贵的说
ECON-230 发表于 2011-8-24 20:28

坏淫~~~

作者: UV15 时间: 2011-8-24 21:46:04

是不是不让买多少年以外的旧车了？

作者: lzh47 时间: 2011-8-24 22:10:50

假如有时间，读读就懂了。

On the 31st of December 2011 the next phase of the emission rule will be implemented by the NZ Government.

The affects will be widespread, and felt for many years. If not stopped, it will increase the cost of living by an average of $4,000 for every person who drives a car or is going to drive a car in New Zealand.

Yes, we will be saying “Goodbye” to cheap, low priced, quality cars in NZ.

The cost of living in NZ is already expensive, and now the stage is set for it to get a lot worse, and for no good reason, because the legislation introduced by the Labour Government doesn’t work!

Make no mistake, “This is the first “un-natural national disaster” to befall NZ following the Christchurch earthquake”.

Due to the Earthquake and Tsunami in Japan, the halt of new vehicle productions and the struggling Japanese economy there is now a global shortage of quality second hand vehicles available out of Japan, and as a result, the prices of second hand cars in Japan has greatly increased.

Back in 2007 the Labour Government came up with what they thought were some good ideas to reduce air pollution.
Some of them “were” good ideas, like reducing the level of sulphur in our fuel from over 80 particles down to 8.
But unfortunately this was not realistic. After upgrading the Marsden Point Oil Refinery it was learned the technology being used there had been upgraded as much as it could, and to reduce the levels of sulphur any further to that below 50 particles, (which it had been reduced to) would require the plant to be completely scrapped and rebuilt using the latest technologies.

The NZ Government is a large shareholder in the Marsden Plant, and now they had placed themselves in a position that could potentially be very embarrassing.

The facts on sulphur content in NZ fuels have now been archived on the Government’s web site. Nobody refers to it, so effectively it has been brushed under the carpet, and remains a goal they could not achieve.

And in fact a whole fleet of brand new diesel vehicles could not comply with current emission standards, (because of the low quality diesel fuel they were being tested with in NZ) and were returned to Japan! A whole fleet of brand new cars!!!
And as I understand it the other manufacturers are also having trouble complying!!

Labour targeted many areas in its “Clean Green” campaign, it was a vicious campaign designed to gain green votes with little in the way of proper research being done.

Example:
Remember the “Fart Tax” for livestock?
Farmers (and the public) did their nut over that one, and finally the Labour Government backed down.

Another target was “CARS”!
There are really only 3 car categories in NZ:
• Cars sold new in NZ
• Cars Imported into NZ
• Cars already here.
At the time and from Labour’s stand point, Car manufactures are too important so they can’t rock that boat.
Many cars already here are old and being driven by Labour constituents, they just couldn’t be seen making things harder for “them”.

So that left the import market, “Holy cow!!! The biggest polluters of them all!!!”

The import market is vital to the supply of quality vehicles in New Zealand, and it’s vital to continue this supply so we can remove older polluting and unsafe cars from our roads.
Through trial and era, stringent restrictions have been set in place to protect the consumer and ensure only the very best vehicles make it onto the NZ roads.

And now 85% of that market is about to be removed!.…. 85%!

And this is the reason why.

Air Quality.

That’s it, the quality of air in NZ.

The Labour Government wrapped it up and passed it through as legislation designed to protect the NZ public from harmful emissions produced from nasty vehicles, so they raised the standards of vehicles being imported. Unfortunately, they are about to raise it too high which will place the vehicles meeting the new rules in the $16,000 ~ $25,000 price bracket.

The majority of import car buyers are in the lower to middle income bracket. There is no way they can afford something that is about to double in price!

They will be forced to keep their old cars on the roads, and fix them when they break, supply will dwindle and car prices will become a lot more expensive.

The first phase of the Emission Rule was actually a good idea, it meant NZ could not import vehicles made prior to 1998. The second phase was not so good, we could not import anything prior to a 2000 for petrol vehicles, which was ok, but for diesel vehicles, the rule was much harder and NZ could not import most diesel vehicles manufactured prior to 2004 and in some cases 2005 and 6.

There is now a lack of supply of low km, good quality diesel vehicles and the ones that are here, are more expensive than ever before! Check it out.

The Labour Government wanted to get older cars off our roads, but what it’s done so far is keep the older diesels “ON” our roads. There is nothing to replace them with, and as they become older, not only do they start to produce more emissions but they also became more expensive.

And now the stage is set for the same thing to happen on a much larger scale involving every single car in NZ.

The 31st December 2011 Emission Rule is going to CUT supply by 85% and will not only drive up the prices of old vehicles, but it will also allow the manufactures to raise the price of new cars.

And with prices jumping sky high across the board, the quality of cars on our roads will decrease; they will become even more polluting and in some cases will be “unsafe” as they would have been repaired by unqualified people working as cheaply as they can.

How many people need to die before the consequences of this rule are acknowledged, or will they even be reported?
Will fatal accidents in unsafe cars be reported as just another car “accident” ending in a fatality? or will they report that the victim was actually driving an old vehicle that may have been unsafe prior to the crash?
My guess is that would require an investigation, which would need money and chances are it was a lower income earner in the accident if it was an old car, so we will never know!

National has the power to overturn this legislation and save our cars, our wallets and make our roads safer.

There are better ways to reduce our carbon footprint that actually work!

Like retro fitting fuel lines so they run over the top of an engine head on a diesel engine pre-heating the diesel to 56 Degrees Celsius (diesels optimum and cleanest burning combustion temperature.) similar to that of a common rail diesel engine, currently being sold in new diesel vehicles.

There are components that can be retro fitted to exhausts to reduce emissions.
The Japanese Government required all busses and trucks’ wanting to drive in inner cities to have this fitted, failure to do so, and they would be breaking the Law.

If it worked for Japan, why can’t it work for us?

If the NZ Government was really concerned about the quality of air the average NZ citizen was breathing, they would make it mandatory to have all busses and trucks fit their exhausts so the tail pipe was above the roof line!
How many of us have been stuck in traffic breathing in the fumes of the bus in front? Or suddenly get a blast of fumes through an open window from a passing truck as it changes gear?

I think that would quickly improve the quality of air the average NZ person is inhaling, but it may upset the new vehicle manufactures as it would be an additional cost and disruption to the manufacturing process.

But when you think about it all manufactures should build buses and trucks in this manner, it just makes so much sense! Take a look at the United States of America, they do it!

Or, why not make it mandatory to actually test the emissions of cars already on our roads?

A suggestion has been put forward to do an exhaust emission test of all vehicles on our roads once every 2 years at designated locations. If they fail the emissions test they will require some servicing and perhaps maintenance work and if they fail 3 times they are “Flagged” and taken off the road until they comply.

Now on the face of it, this seems like a good idea, but there is a real major flaw, and it’s the Petrol we use.

Even brand new cars will not pass a Euro Standard 4 emission tests using 91 grade unleaded fuel, the car needs to be fuelled and run on 98 octane petrol in order to pass in most cases.

The biggest thing the Government could do to fix the quality of our air, is fix the quality of our fuel.

But this will cost the Government a lot of money, actually it will cost “US” money and our Government can’t afford it especially now they’re rebuilding Christchurch!

Yet there are still more ways.…. So why aren’t we investigating them?

It seems utter lunacy to be living in a Country renowned for producing some of the World’s most remarkable minds, brimming with Kiwi “number 8 wire” mentality and “can do anything” attitude, and not be able to come up with a better emissions rule than this?

It is the result of a Government creating an ineffective plan in order to gain public support over a very real environment issue, to better suit their own wants.

It is not legislation designed to improve anything for us, it is legislation designed to boost the ego of overpaid bureaucrats so they can keep their high paying jobs, (after all, they are not the ones driving cars priced under $10,000.)

We absolutely must stop this next phase of the Emission Rule and come up with a plan that actually works!

Damn it! We’re Kiwi’s, that’s what we do best, we come up with things nobody else has thought of and show the World how to do it.

The National Government has said it will not do anything to change the rule, it is an election year and this rule was introduced by Labour and only really affects their constituents.

In other words, National will not gain anything by overturning the rule except to help Labour voters (who aren’t going to vote National anyway).

They will only do something if it benefits them. How stupid, they are there to do what we want them to do, to do what is right, to research and come up with the right answers to issues that affect our lives, and implement them……not introduce ineffective policies that make our lives worse (and more expensive) especially when they don’t work.

作者: 姚小盒 时间: 2011-8-24 22:13:05

好长啊张哥。。。。

作者: lzh47 时间: 2011-8-24 22:20:04

好长啊张哥。。。。
姚小盒发表于 2011-8-24 21:13

好吧，节选几段重要的信息出来。

1，
The import market is vital to the supply of quality vehicles in New Zealand, and it’s vital to continue this supply so we can remove older polluting and unsafe cars from our roads.
Through trial and era, stringent restrictions have been set in place to protect the consumer and ensure only the very best vehicles make it onto the NZ roads.

And now 85% of that market is about to be removed!.…. 85%!

And this is the reason why.

Air Quality.

That’s it, the quality of air in NZ.

2，

The first phase of the Emission Rule was actually a good idea, it meant NZ could not import vehicles made prior to 1998. The second phase was not so good, we could not import anything prior to a 2000 for petrol vehicles, which was ok, but for diesel vehicles, the rule was much harder and NZ could not import most diesel vehicles manufactured prior to 2004 and in some cases 2005 and 6.

There is now a lack of supply of low km, good quality diesel vehicles and the ones that are here, are more expensive than ever before!

3，
The 31st December 2011 Emission Rule is going to CUT supply by 85% and will not only drive up the prices of old vehicles, but it will also allow the manufactures to raise the price of new cars.

And with prices jumping sky high across the board, the quality of cars on our roads will decrease; they will become even more polluting and in some cases will be “unsafe” as they would have been repaired by unqualified people working as cheaply as they can.

看了这几段，就差不多意思了。

作者: 晴天鬼娃娃 时间: 2011-8-24 23:10:06

额... 看了一下,  好像是说

1.  减少尾气污染?
所以 2. 就是不进口2000年以前的车了?
所以3. 现有的老车就贵?

那现有的老车不会呗 remove 吧???  {:8_391:}

作者: 烧香的熊猫 时间: 2011-8-24 23:11:28

额... 看了一下,  好像是说

1.  减少尾气污染?
所以 2. 就是不进口2000年以前的车了?
所以3. 现有的老车就贵?

那现有的老车不会呗 remove 吧???  {:8_391:}
晴天鬼娃娃发表于 2011-8-24 22:10

政府不能，如果真的要报废老车，那要乱套了

作者: 晴天鬼娃娃 时间: 2011-8-24 23:12:41

{:8_391:} 那是不是也说明老车要涨价啊? 现有的这批, 用到死了, 以后就没有了?

不过没看明白跟柴油车有什么关系捏?

作者: minmax 时间: 2011-8-24 23:24:50

工党又瞎搞

作者: 狂野的水墨 时间: 2011-8-24 23:35:39

13# 晴天鬼娃娃

柴油車對空氣的污染比汽油車要嚴重的多，所以他們不讓進04，05年前的柴油車了。

作者: MaxPower 时间: 2011-8-24 23:35:52

折腾吧就

作者: 烧香的熊猫 时间: 2011-8-24 23:37:20

{:8_391:} 那是不是也说明老车要涨价啊? 现有的这批, 用到死了, 以后就没有了?

不过没看明白跟柴油车有什么关系捏?
晴天鬼娃娃发表于 2011-8-24 22:12

你没仔细看咩？
我大概看了下，就是政府以后不允许进口老车了，因为老车的尾气排放不达标
政府强制进口年份新的车，因为年份新，所以价格就会高
汽油汽车必须进口2000以后生产的，而柴油车必须进口2004年以后生产的
我是这么理解的。。。。我也没怎么仔细看，有错误大家纠正哈

作者: lzh47 时间: 2011-8-24 23:40:58

好吧，我来说几句我10楼回复的。

1，关于尾排法案，政府的初衷是想，为了减少在NZ的尾气排放超标的车辆的数量，降低空气污染的程度

2，尾排法案分几个步骤，第一步，禁止进口98年以前的车，第二步，禁止进口2000年之前的汽油车，但是对柴油车的要求更严格，必须2004年以后生产的，有些甚至规定必须要05或06年之后生产的。

3，这个法案会减少85%的供应量，市场有可能会出现（短暂）供不应求，随之，至少，现有存货的价格就会上升。这个带来的另一负面影响就是，人们手上原本要淘汰的车，就会尽量找便宜的地方，修一修，继续使用，而随之，给环境，空气带来更大的污染，以及，对驾驶者和路上其他行人的安全也产生隐患！

以上是本人的理解，难免有错，勿怪！{:7_340:}

作者: MaxPower 时间: 2011-8-24 23:45:26

都买便宜的，贵的就降价了？？？好事啊

作者: KATE-M 时间: 2011-8-24 23:48:09

假如有时间，读读就懂了。

On the 31st of December 2011 the next phase of the emission rule will be implemented by the NZ Government.

The affects will be widespread, and felt for many years. If n ...
lzh47 发表于 2011-8-24 21:10

用中文一句话概括

作者: ECON-230 时间: 2011-8-24 23:49:05

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作者: ansonlin888 时间: 2011-8-24 23:53:02

和烟一个道理

作者: ansonlin888 时间: 2011-8-24 23:53:50

用中文一句话概括
KATE-M 发表于 2011-8-24 22:48

让你没有“能力”污染空气。。

作者: UV15 时间: 2011-8-24 23:57:12

这样说也不合理啊，我在trademe上看见的的车都在2000后的，而且是汽油车，为什么他们都说31 dec 2011后都会自动加价2000刀，
ECON-230 发表于 2011-8-24 22:49

到时候供不应求了就贵了呗；
不过，这帮人都是想法加价，真到明年还不定怎么回事儿呢。他加，别人不加，让他卖去吧。

作者: ECON-230 时间: 2011-8-25 00:48:20

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作者: 烧香的熊猫 时间: 2011-8-25 01:01:06

这个好像不是卖家加的好像是政府统一要加的
发送自我的iPhone天维网应用。
ECON-230 发表于 2011-8-24 23:48

有出处么？

作者: 姚小盒 时间: 2011-8-25 01:05:39

这样说也不合理啊，我在trademe上看见的的车都在2000后的，而且是汽油车，为什么他们都说31 dec 2011后都会自动加价2000刀，
ECON-230 发表于 2011-8-24 22:49

别大喘气了。还有什么一起说完吧。

作者: 断了的线 时间: 2011-8-25 10:19:31

到2010年12月31日为止，因为政府对排放的要求提高，对大部分2005年以前的2手车影响，但不是因为生产年份，而是看排放是否达标. 也就是说2手车即便是2005年以后的，但排放不达标，也是不能通过进车车检，部分2005年以前的2手车依然可以通过进口车检，如果排放达标的话

作者: andylosay 时间: 2011-8-25 13:34:35

没有工业的国家就是个悲剧。管他涨不涨，自己该咋过还咋过

作者: lzh47 时间: 2011-8-25 14:23:12

这样说也不合理啊，我在trademe上看见的的车都在2000后的，而且是汽油车，为什么他们都说31 dec 2011后都会自动加价2000刀，
ECON-230 发表于 2011-8-24 22:49

是哥表达不清楚还是你理解有问题？

作者: MaxPower 时间: 2011-8-26 17:05:36

让大家都去买长城

作者: 烧香的熊猫 时间: 2011-8-26 17:18:18

让大家都去买长城
MaxPower 发表于 2011-8-26 16:05

Great~~~

作者: xli422 时间: 2011-8-26 20:15:09

Great~~~
烧香的熊猫发表于 2011-8-26 16:18

GREAT WALL..................................

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