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作者: wintercool 时间: 2011-11-26 23:35:39 标题: 探讨下一些车款的通病，希望大家踊跃补充

本帖最后由 wintercool 于 2011-11-26 23:36 编辑

大家买2手车的时候都会比较谨慎，不过2手车也用为经过时间的考验使我们了解更多选车时候用该注意的问题，车跟人一样有的东西是生来就具有一定缺憾的，人无完人，有的车款也有通病。我就自己开过的车和朋友开过的车给大家一些参考意见

奥迪A4，A6，99年到2004年有烧机油的通病，其他年份和车款不祥
nissan 公爵，风度（cerfiro,maxima) 94到99年，点火线圈8到15万公里时候容易坏，换个不贵
丰田子弹头，92年到98年的 2.0柴油增压版，水箱和水泵容易坏，优点就是省油（这个车在原厂换皮带比较便宜，主要是换的快，省了不少人工。2.4的比较好，没什么问题
丰田cavalier, 设计及其不合理，电动窗，水泵，很容易坏，据说电动窗要连门一起换，800刀左右，而且比较费油，
宝马E36，2门版的窗户马达容易坏，个人觉得是应为关上门后有个密封的功能增加了马达的负担
奔驰E500，2002年左右的波箱可能容易坏，有个零件不是奔驰造的，容易造成漏油导致波箱瘫痪，曾被建议换成原厂的零件
Saab，9-5， 97到2003年的，relay（可能是这么拼）容易坏，就是控制大灯的接线盒，不过换个就50刀
大众 Beetle， 2000年左右的，比较容易漏机油
Ford，territory, 有朋友在2005年买了个新车（GHIA版本），一年内出了3次小问题: 音响，中控锁，启动。
Holden，Barina, 2007年左右3门掀背的，朋友开了3年多，据说小问题很多
volvo S80, 99-01年的电脑芯片容易坏，其他年份还好

再次希望大家跟帖多多补充，谢谢了

作者: me5272311 时间: 2011-11-26 23:50:01

好东西cf雅阁转向电脑有问题

作者: 高飞 时间: 2011-11-27 00:25:51

Holden的车有一部分是韩国大宇产的，质量不好

作者: andyling 时间: 2011-11-27 01:09:34

本帖最后由 andyling 于 2011-11-27 01:10 编辑

all corollas generally no issues but electronics

all pulsars generally no issues but electronics

pretty much all toyota and nissan old cars generally no issues but electronics.

作者: 取暖基本靠抖 时间: 2011-11-27 01:48:37

dc5 r 普遍后备箱下雨天渗水。

作者: youxie13 时间: 2011-11-27 11:02:00

altezza的表盘灯容易坏
点火线圈十万公里左右也容易坏

作者: haomimi 时间: 2011-11-27 12:31:40

nissan小毛病不少，toyota比较结实

作者: jamesyingfan 时间: 2011-11-27 13:22:23

Saab，9-5， 97到2003年的，relay（可能是这么拼）容易坏，就是控制大灯的接线盒，不过换个就50刀

作者: ~春天花花~ 时间: 2011-11-27 13:52:03

subaru波箱容易出问题，audi新车也烧机油算不上什么问题了，雅阁波箱也据说有问题，250gt什么的电路貌似也常出问题，还听原厂的人说比较新的车缸头也经常有修的据说是因为发动机是台湾产的质量不太过关。其实什么车都有点问题的，还不是那么多人开？！一劳永逸的事情是不存在的。

作者: 注册专用 时间: 2011-11-27 13:52:41

奔驰a系列，本田fit的波箱

作者: andyling 时间: 2011-11-27 16:50:58

看样子都是自动波箱和电子问题。

别买新车了，都买90前手动老车哈哈。

作者: 卡比 时间: 2011-11-27 22:17:12

宝马335i 高压油泵 HPFP，原厂设计问题，所有年份都可能出现故障，换一次上千

作者: YFQ1982 时间: 2011-11-27 23:29:35

三菱所有GDI发动机，还有demante和galant的波箱

作者: wintercool 时间: 2011-11-27 23:37:43

YFQ1982 发表于 2011-11-27 23:29
三菱所有GDI发动机，还有demante和galant的波箱

不是GDI的也不好，比如FTO，也有不少问题，而且设计不是很合理，据说换皮带很贵
galant 七代，八代，手拨的非GDI的车也不错，开个二三十万公里也没什么大问题

作者: wintercool 时间: 2011-11-28 21:48:31

还有HONDA FIT/JASS 1.3的排量气缸压缩比好像比1.5的还高，貌似最好加95号油比较好

作者: GTR32 时间: 2011-11-28 22:25:10

E60 zf 6speed autobox - surge everytime downshifting from 2 to 1.
you NEVER stop the car smoothly

作者: bugzi2011 时间: 2011-11-28 22:36:00

大众奥迪的车子普遍的波箱容易出问题，修起来非常贵，我知道的有2个朋友是这样了，再加上自己亲身体验。
nissan skyline 350gt-8（4门房车那款）波箱没得保养，波箱油新西兰没得卖，从日本进加起来差不多1500纽币，再加人工，很夸张。问过几家权威的做transmission 的workshop （gearbox factory, Kaspa, etc) 说这车不建议买8万公里以上的，一般8万公里波箱应该做一次保养，尤其是cvt。
Honda的车dizzy容易出问题，比较老的车，新一些的车（2000-—）还好。

作者: bugzi2011 时间: 2011-11-28 22:38:20

BMW E46窗户马达容易坏，左右两个窗户坏的时间相差也就一个星期，修一个就要250，还好有保险。

作者: 蓝白 时间: 2011-12-13 16:07:56

2000年到2002年的雅阁，去年还被本田召回，据说气囊有问题
还有奔驰SMART 5门版的电路容易出问题

作者: 爱国爱港 时间: 2011-12-13 17:53:46

本帖最后由爱国爱港于 2011-12-13 16:54 编辑

bugzi2011 发表于 2011-11-28 21:36
大众奥迪的车子普遍的波箱容易出问题，修起来非常贵，我知道的有2个朋友是这样了，再加上自己亲身体验。
nissan skyline 350gt-8（4门房车那款）波箱没得保养，波箱油新西兰没得卖，从日本进加起来差不多1500纽币，再加人工，很夸张。问过几家权威的做transmission 的workshop （gearbox factory, Kaspa, etc) 说这车不建议买8万公里以上的，一般8万公里波箱应该做一次保养，尤其是cvt。

http://www.dogandlemon.com/articles/automatics-cvt-transmissions

Many drivers don’t like to change gears, so they buy a car with an automatic transmission. Modern automatics are much more efficient than those of old. However, before you buy an automatic car, there are a few things you should know:

1) Cars with automatics use more gas. Modern automatics are much better than old, but all automatics use more than their manual equivalent. The very worst are the old style ones that were fitted to big old Holdens, Fords, Jaguars and the like. You can expect a loss of something like 20% off your top speed together with a 30% increase in petrol consumption compared to a manual gearbox. It’s even worse on older, smaller cars. Not only will you get lousy fuel consumption, but you’ll crawl away from the lights at a snail’s pace and the engine will be screaming at 100km/h.

Many small modern cars generally have automatics, and although they are much more efficient than the old ones, they will still increase your fuel consumption. A mid-1990s Volkswagen Golf with a 1.8 litre engine and a 5-speed manual gearbox will use an average of 9.3 litres per 100 kilometres. With an automatic, the same car will use 11.2 litres per 100 kilometres. The very modern automatics typically use 5-10% more fuel.

2) Automatics on modern cars don’t last as long. In the 1960s, cars with automatic transmissions often went to the wrecker’s yard with the original automatic transmission still in good working order. Not any more. Whereas manual gearboxes on modern cars may not need fixing throughout the vehicle’s life, most cars with automatic transmissions seem to need overhaul anywhere from 100 –150,000 kilometres. This means that the car you’re looking at with 90,000 km on the clock may be less than a year away from needing an expensive overhaul. On some models, especially European models, the transmission may fail long before 100,000km.

The reasons for the early failure of modern automatics are: partly that transmissions are much more lightly built than they used to be, partly that the fluids used to run them are not generally as robust as they used to be but mainly that they change gear far more often than they used to. This is necessary for fuel economy and pollution reduction, but it means that the transmission is often working hard and therefore will die young. If in doubt, get a manual car, okay?

CVT Transmissions

Back in the 1950s, some automatic transmissions had only two gears. Two-speed transmissions were a pain, because when you were going up a hill you only had two options: first or second gear; it screamed in first gear or lost power in second. Then, as you went faster, the transmission was screaming because it needed an extra gear but didn’t have one.

Two-speed automatics were not only inconvenient to use, but they robbed the car’s engine of much of its power and drank fuel like there was no tomorrow.

You may never notice it, but your four or five-speed automatic suffers from the same problems as the two-speed one described above: it never gets the gears quite right. That’s why cars with conventional automatics never put out quite as much power as those with a manual gearbox and almost always use more fuel.

In the 1950s, a Dutch company called DAF came up with a new type of automatic transmission that solved the problems described above. Instead of having a small, fixed number of gears, DAF’s gearbox simply made up the gearing as it went along; the DAF transmission could change itself internally to produce a wide range of different gears, each one perfectly suited to the road conditions and driving style of that vehicle. The Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT) was born.

There are no fixed gears (e.g., first, second, third, and so on) in a CVT. The transmission simply invents the right gear at the right time. In theory a CVT is the ideal gearbox.

In practice, however, most modern CVT gearboxes suffer from the same problems as their ancestors: because they don’t have gears (like on the back wheel of a bicycle), many CVTs use belts instead, like the one that goes around your waist. The problem is, these transmission belts break, no matter how well they’re made. When they break, the whole transmission has to come out, generally for a complete overhaul at great expense. CVT gearboxes that use chains are better, but they still break.

The carmakers knew this when they put these CVT transmissions onto the market, but they also knew that most of the CVTs wouldn’t break until the vehicle was out of guarantee, meaning it wouldn’t be the carmakers’ problem. However, even that scam didn’t work: both Nissan’s and Honda’s CVTs have been subject to multiple recalls, some on almost-new vehicles. It’s possible that someone will eventually figure out how to build a CVT transmission that lasts as long as a conventional manual gearbox, but we’re not holding our breath. In the meantime, the evidence to date suggests that CVT transmissions can easily become a nightmare for car owners.

The fact that many CVT transmissions die young shouldn’t be your problem; the easiest option is to simply avoid CVT transmissions entirely!

作者: 爱国爱港 时间: 2011-12-13 17:57:32

丰田Cavalier不是日本丰田原厂设计和生产的，该车本来是美国通用汽车的雪佛兰的Cavalier

作者: lovelg 时间: 2011-12-25 22:53:39

爱国爱港发表于 2011-12-13 17:53
http://www.dogandlemon.com/articles/automatics-cvt-transmissions

Many drivers don’t like to ch ...

good !@!@!

作者: kkc21111 时间: 2011-12-26 01:32:11

holden 买commodore 买现在新出的VE 性价比不错都澳洲出的 barina等都是韩国货开过一辆最新的spark 11年新车 200公里我开上100公里感觉车要散架了........

作者: 高飞 时间: 2011-12-26 01:48:11

爱国爱港发表于 2011-12-13 16:53
http://www.dogandlemon.com/articles/automatics-cvt-transmissions

Many drivers don’t like to ch ...

以前在国内就听说过CVT不好，好像是奥迪A6的CVT，新车就出问题，还是技术不成熟

作者: 爱国爱港 时间: 2011-12-26 02:09:02

本帖最后由爱国爱港于 2011-12-26 01:12 编辑

高飞发表于 2011-12-26 00:48
以前在国内就听说过CVT不好，好像是奥迪A6的CVT，新车就出问题，还是技术不成熟

按dog and lemon说法CVT是先天性问题，这技术永远不可能成熟耐用，dog and lemon 已经说CVT早在50年代已经由荷兰的DAF公司开发出来。

车厂是故意把CVT排档搞在车上，让车子过了保修期后问题百出，车子故意设计成修理困难，同时提高零件费什至不供应旧车零件，这些都是车厂强迫车主换新车的手段

作者: 爱国爱港 时间: 2011-12-26 02:17:32

本帖最后由爱国爱港于 2011-12-26 01:17 编辑

Saab，9-5， 97到2003年的，relay（可能是这么拼）容易坏，就是控制大灯的接线盒，不过换个就50刀

现在Saab在瑞典已经申请破产，找Saab的配件将会有困难

http://www.dogandlemon.com/media/car-buyers-urged-to-avoid-saab-vehicles

Car buyers urged to avoid Saab vehicles

MEDIA RELEASE - 30/10/2011

Car buyers are being warned not to purchase Saab cars, because the company producing Saab vehicles appears unlikely to survive, having recently filed for bankruptcy protection for the second time in three years.

The car review website dogandlemon.com warns that Saab cars are still being offered by dealers without any mention that the parent company is in serious trouble.

dogandlemon.com editor Clive Matthew-Wilson says the Saab company may end up being sold to China, but there was no guarantee the new owners will continue to support existing vehicles.

“Saab cars would appear to be the worst possible choice for consumers: they are likely to need lots of expensive repairs, but owners of Saab cars may find themselves unable to obtain parts and service in years to come.”

Matthew-Wilson points to a recent reliability survey by the giant English consumer organisation Which? Of the 34 car brands surveyed, Saab vehicles rated third from the bottom for reliability.

“Buyers of Saab vehicles probably have some warranty protection if they buy from a local dealer, but none if they buy privately. Even so, getting a Saab vehicle fixed if it breaks may soon become an impossible task. If a single major part, such as a headlight unit, becomes unavailable, then the vehicle that it fits will essentially become scrap metal.”

"Our only possible advice is to avoid Saab vehicles entirely."

Background

In 2009, after years of losses, Swedish specialist carmaker Saab Automobile AB filed for bankruptcy protection.

Saab was formerly owned by General Motors. After the bankruptcy of both General Motors and Saab, Saab was sold in 2010 to the tiny Dutch carmaker Spyker Cars NV, with finance from Russian businessman Vladimir Antonov, who allegedly has links to organised crime.

Spyker Cars changed its name to Swedish Automobile.

In May of 2011, Swedish Automobile announced that it had sold 54% of Saab to two Chinese companies, Pang Da Automobile Trade Co and Zhejiang Youngman Lotus Automobile for 245 million euros (US$347 million).

The Chinese investors then backed away from this agreement.

In late October of 2011, Swedish Automobile announced a new deal: it had agreed to sell 100% of Saab and its British unit to Pang Da and Youngman for 100 million euros (US$140 million).

However, although a general agreement has been reached to sell the Saab company, a final contract has not been signed. The Chinese investors have yet to make a major payment.

The purchase of Saab by a Chinese company will require the approval of the Chinese government. The deal will also require the approval of the European Investment Bank, the Swedish government and General Motors, all of which have existing investments in Saab. If any of these parties dislike the deal, the entire sale could be halted.

The Chinese investors have already backed away from a previous agreement; there’s no guarantee they won’t back away from this one as well, or try and renegotiate the terms of the contract.

Many of Saab’s employees have not been paid for months; any delay in selling the company could see the employees and other creditors restarting bankruptcy proceedings against Saab.

An apparent rescue by an American company – North Street Capital – appears to have been a sham.

Many industry commentators believe that Saab’s position is now hopeless. Most of the Saab model range is obsolete. Saab sold 31,696 cars in 2010. According to industry estimates, Saab would need to sell a minimum of 120,000 cars per year just to survive.

Even if the Chinese investors pay over the entire US$140 million, Saab will still require a further estimated US$800 million to US$1.5 billion to turn the business around.

For the foreseeable future, there is little chance of Saab regaining a strong market share in Europe or America. While Saab’s new owners hope to expand into the Chinese market, China’s car market is cooling.

With China’s three major luxury carmakers – BMW, Daimler and Audi – all discounting heavily to achieve sales, it seems unlikely that Saabs could be sold profitably into the Chinese market in the near future.

作者: wintercool 时间: 2012-1-25 23:33:51

爱国爱港发表于 2011-12-26 02:17
现在Saab在瑞典已经申请破产，找Saab的配件将会有困难

http://www.dogandlemon.com/media/car-buyers- ...

在国内可以买新车中国已经引进了SAAB的生产线了，国外的话二手配件很难找，新西兰算是配件最难找的国家了，不过澳大利亚和美国二手配件好像比较好找，而且老款SAAB有的配件和其他厂家通用的，比如TURBO就是三菱的，说实话配件是很难找，我开过2辆了，不过这车97年产的到08年几乎没有什么大变化，生产了十几年的车配件还是能找到的。觉得性价比在欧洲车里还行，修起来比德国车便宜多了。以前有报道说SAAB的用户是最忠诚的，换车还是要换SAAB，我前一辆SAAB就是卖给一个刚过来的英国人，他说他只开SAAB. 可惜之前一直都不会经营。第一辆敞篷车，第一辆TURBO车，等等，SAAB带给汽车工业很多，可是还是不行了，希望可以像MG一样，在中国有好的发展。

作者: wintercool 时间: 2012-1-25 23:36:42

高飞发表于 2011-12-26 01:48
以前在国内就听说过CVT不好，好像是奥迪A6的CVT，新车就出问题，还是技术不成熟

NISSAN新出的XTRONIC CVT 不知道如何，还没有负面的报道

作者: 酒管达人 时间: 2012-1-27 23:05:03

有关于RX8的解说吗？？

4速自波顶配版本

作者: 爱国爱港 时间: 2012-1-27 23:08:32

本帖最后由爱国爱港于 2012-1-27 22:09 编辑

wintercool 发表于 2012-1-25 22:33
在国内可以买新车中国已经引进了SAAB的生产线了，国外的话二手配件很难找，新西兰算是配件最难找的国家了 ...

从中国出口Saab配件到澳纽吧！一定帮到很多Saab车主

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