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作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-24 17:24:30 标题: 各位高人给点意见-Nissan X-trail
各位版力里的高人，有人开X-trail吗？请大家给点意见。最近试架了st-l 版本，动力还不错，价格也挺便宜的。但是看到版里有很多人都对cVT有意见。 这车耐操吗？多谢大家。
作者: casanova 时间: 2012-7-24 17:26:31
建议lz 买diesel 的x trail 
作者: Cadios 时间: 2012-7-24 18:23:07
柴油好，6AT，动力足，就是售价高点
作者: 香肉肉 时间: 2012-7-24 18:23:58
这车没马力哦~DEISEL的会好点。。车身那么大，才2.0好像。。
作者: tongandyu 时间: 2012-7-24 18:26:34
NISSAN有款小的suv，背后无比好看，一次在高速上看到，很开心的去查了下资料，正面无比难看~
作者: 爱国爱港 时间: 2012-7-24 19:41:40
>cVT有意见。 这车耐操吗？
你不搜索一下讲cvt的帖？
作者: casanova 时间: 2012-7-24 20:06:26
tongandyu 发表于 2012-7-24 17:26 
NISSAN有款小的suv，背后无比好看，一次在高速上看到，很开心的去查了下资料，正面无比难看~
nissan Dualis/ Qashqai? juke??
作者: tongandyu 时间: 2012-7-24 20:16:32
casanova 发表于 2012-7-24 19:06
nissan Dualis/ Qashqai? juke??
JUKE.........
作者: jinxin56 时间: 2012-7-24 20:30:29
我也特中意柴油车，我觉得nz这马路，就是要高扭矩才开的爽啊，柴油机高速随随便便都能上100的。。。
作者: 爱国爱港 时间: 2012-7-25 02:04:37
为什么LZ不考虑Rav4，Vitara和CR-V?
作者: 大大苯象 时间: 2012-7-25 04:09:09
不建议买这车，毛病多而且也不好看。最主要还是CVT。。。
作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-25 12:51:22
爱国爱港 发表于 2012-7-25 01:04
为什么LZ不考虑Rav4，Vitara和CR-V?
一开始看的CRV, dealer 太横了，一份钱不讲价就算了，车还要等两个半月才能拿到（白色的四驱版本）个人觉得x-trail 越野性能会好一些，我试驾的时候觉得底盘比CRV 和RAV4
都高。另外高配的汽油版本价格不错40k plus 就可以拿下了。 RAV4 觉得年底要出新款了，4ＡＴ有点太落伍了。我对车不懂，所以想买个安全性高的车。
作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-25 12:53:17
大大苯象 发表于 2012-7-25 03:09
不建议买这车，毛病多而且也不好看。最主要还是CVT。。。
哥们，这车毛病多？能具体说说吗？谢谢
作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-25 12:57:31
爱国爱港 发表于 2012-7-24 18:41
>cVT有意见。 这车耐操吗？
你不搜索一下讲cvt的帖？
版里关于CTV的帖子我都看了，好像尼桑老的车ＣＴＶ毛病比较多，新车好像还好，另外现在的尼桑的新车好像都有个叫什么ＸＴＲＯＮＩＣ的东西，是不是会好些啊？
作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-25 13:03:03
爱国爱港 发表于 2012-7-25 01:04
为什么LZ不考虑Rav4，Vitara和CR-V?
还有我觉得Ｘ－Ｔｒａｉｌ的四驱系统好像做的不错，还有锁死功能。我看得ＣＲＶ和ＲＡＶ４都是电子系统帮你上四驱，你自己好像没得选。不过我也不懂车，也没有开过ｘ－ｔｒａｉｌ，所以想听听大家的意见。
作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-25 13:07:59
jinxin56 发表于 2012-7-24 19:30
我也特中意柴油车，我觉得nz这马路，就是要高扭矩才开的爽啊，柴油机高速随随便便都能上100的。。。
我一开始也想买柴油的，但是我和Ｄｅａｌｅｒ聊，他和我说柴油的版本保养比较贵，后续成本比较高，他建议一年开３万公里以上的人买柴油。各位高人，这是真的吗？
作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-25 13:37:31
Cadios 发表于 2012-7-24 17:23
柴油好，6AT，动力足，就是售价高点
现在尼桑在做特价，柴油的版本比零售架便宜8000多。
作者: Cadios 时间: 2012-7-25 14:04:31
看了一下，柴油版是贵点，但是配置比汽油普通版的好，也就是说差价没有想象中的大。
作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-25 14:16:49
Cadios 发表于 2012-7-25 13:04
看了一下，柴油版是贵点，但是配置比汽油普通版的好，也就是说差价没有想象中的大。
对，比汽油版本贵3000， 但是多了前雾灯，后玻璃贴和报警器。请问你开过柴油的车吗？耐不耐操，谢谢。
作者: cooldd 时间: 2012-7-25 14:59:18
去看看 subaru forester 怎么都比x-trail好
作者: Scofield 时间: 2012-7-25 15:33:24
买SUV必须买柴油，，，，
作者: casanova 时间: 2012-7-25 15:38:08
LZ 要买全新的?
作者: 爱国爱港 时间: 2012-7-25 15:51:08
本帖最后由 爱国爱港 于 2012-7-25 14:57 编辑
qiqiyiyi 发表于 2012-7-25 11:51
一开始看的CRV, dealer 太横了，一份钱不讲价就算了，车还要等两个半月才能拿到（白色的四驱版本）个人觉 ...
日本车4AT根本是好东西：1）耐操，2）保养容易有便宜，随便在Repco或者Supercheap auto买好一点的波箱油，找一家好的修车场已经做好保养，3）4AT制造成本比cvt高，4）4AT不会那么容易出现溜后情况，5）一般平常开车四前速已经足够
作者: 爱国爱港 时间: 2012-7-25 15:52:52
qiqiyiyi 发表于 2012-7-25 12:07
我一开始也想买柴油的，但是我和Ｄｅａｌｅｒ聊，他和我说柴油的版本保养比较贵，后续成本比较高，他建议 ...
+ 1 ...... 柴油车在纽西兰开还要多交RUC
作者: 爱国爱港 时间: 2012-7-25 15:54:06
qiqiyiyi 发表于 2012-7-25 13:16
对，比汽油版本贵3000， 但是多了前雾灯，后玻璃贴和报警器。请问你开过柴油的车吗？耐不耐操，谢谢。
http://www.dogandlemon.com/articles/diesels
Diesels often seem cheaper because the buyer is hypnotised by the apparently low cost of fuel instead of looking at the entire cost of ownership, including road taxes, increased servicing costs and the cost of an expensive engine rebuild that grows ever more likely with every passing kilometre.
There are a few things you should know about diesels:
1) Diesels cost more to buy. In almost every case, new vehicles with diesel engines cost significantly more than the petrol equivalent.
Recently, car buyers have developed an unhealthy attraction to diesels for fuel economy reasons, especially European diesels. You should be aware that, however much you may save in fuel, European cars fitted with diesels have a shocking track record for reliability, and when they break, they break your bank account as well.
2) Diesels are generally noisier than petrol engines, although you may not notice this when you’re inside the car, because diesel-powered cars are often well soundproofed.
3) Diesel engines generally cost much more to service & repair than petrol engines. Diesel engines need to be far stronger than petrol engines. This additional strength translates into additional expense at fix-up time.
4) Diesel is often a lot less per litre than petrol, but diesel-powered vehicles must pay road tax in many countries, which drastically raises the true cost of the fuel.
5) Diesels may not be much more economical for smaller vehicles. Various tests comparing the running costs of a petrol-powered small car versus a diesel-powered small car have concluded that the average driver would take several years at least, merely to get back the extra cost of the diesel engine.
Diesels aren’t all bad: there are two groups that do well from owning diesels: owners of new commercial vehicles and owners of large offroad vehicles. Why?
New commercial vehicles are often covering huge distances and their owners are primarily concerned with keeping running costs as low as possible. Because a new vehicle is under warranty, fuel and servicing are likely to be the biggest costs that commercial owners face. Of these costs, fuel is by far the biggest. If they’re doing big mileages, a well-serviced new diesel can be significantly cheaper to operate, both in terms of fuel costs alone and in terms of overall costs of ownership. Because the vehicle will probably be sold long before the engine needs rebuilding, new owners don’t care about the cost of diesel engine repair. It’s the next guy’s problem. Lastly, because the warranty will require that the vehicle is regularly serviced, the engine is less likely to give trouble for its first owner.
It’s the person who buys the ageing diesel vehicle off the commercial operator who may be a loser – it’s far more likely to require expensive repairs & far less likely to have a decent guarantee.
Owners of large offroaders with proven engines such as those fitted to the early Nissan Patrols and Toyota Landcruisers are also likely winners.
There’s a rough rule of thumb with automotive diesels that the larger the engine, the more likely it is to be reliable, and vice versa. Older Nissan Patrol and Toyota Landcruiser engines have been known to do 500,000km without major repairs. Also, there are many rural areas where you simply can’t buy petrol because there are no petrol stations. Most farmers, by comparison, have easy access to diesel.
However, unless you’re buying new or buying a vehicle with a proven service history, you don’t know what the inside of the engine is like. One thing that everyone agrees on is that diesels are often hellishly expensive to fix when they do go wrong. So, there’s a general rule that if you don’t know a diesel’s history, you should avoid it altogether, unless a diesel mechanic tells you otherwise.
The bad news:
You probably think that modern diesels are better than earlier models but you may be wrong. Although many improvements have been made over the years, big, reliable, chugging diesels are rapidly going the way of the dinosaur. The ever-growing need for better fuel economy, less pollution and greater performance has meant that diesel engines have been pushed beyond their limits by over-eager vehicle manufacturers.
Traditional diesel engines were heavily built and rarely worked very hard. Because they rarely worked very hard, the engine lasted a long time.
By comparison, most modern diesels have turbochargers – giant air pumps – pushing pressurised air through them to make the engine work at least a quarter harder. As the engine works at least a quarter harder, so the engine parts and cooling system have to work at least a quarter harder. Some of this extra strain can be taken up with skilful engine designs and higher quality parts, but there’s a limit to this.
The latest generation of diesel engines, termed common-rail diesels, are the most efficient diesel engines ever made, and when fitted to a car offer good levels of power and acceleration comparable to petrol engines.
However, many turbocharged common-rail diesel engines work harder than any other diesels in history. No matter how solidly they are made, we do not believe that they will last as long as their less hard-working cousins of old.
France is the world centre for small diesel engines. Diesels account for most of the new cars sold in France and in Europe generally.
There is already plenty of evidence of problems with the new generation of European common rail diesel engines, even when relatively new. However, there are far worse problems down the track, after the vehicles leave warranty. European diesel engines (like their petrol siblings) are designed to be used in one vehicle for a fixed period of time and then disposed of. They are computer controlled and everything from the high tech fuel pumps to the exhaust system is designed to work together as one whole unit. Without the computer and the sensors in the exhaust pipe, the diesel will not run properly.
The European carmakers know this of course – in five or ten years’ time when their diesel becomes uneconomic to fix or will no longer pass emissions checks, they’ll be waiting around to sell you a whole new vehicle. The rest of the car will probably be junk.
Peugeot diesels use a silicon carbide honeycomb filter that absorbs pollution, then every 500km or so the filter system oxidizes the absorbed pollutants by injecting a small amount of fuel and a rare-earth-derived additive called Eolys to superheat the exhaust and burn off the soot left behind by burning diesel.
Very clever no doubt, and we believe Peugeot’s claim that the system eliminates 95% of pollution – when new. However, given Peugeot’s woeful reputation for reliability even with existing technology, hands up everyone who thinks this system will still be working reliably and economically in ten years’ time? Thought not.
Compare this to the modern Japanese petrol engine: it’s worth remembering that the basic Toyota Corolla petrol engine is not all that different to the models that they were making twenty years ago; it’s just somewhat more complex and somewhat more efficient. It’s proven, durable technology that is cheap to buy, cheap to service, cheap to fix, and if the car is too old to make engine repair economic, you can get a good, cheap petrol engine from just about any wrecker.
What about Japanese diesel engines? The older, smaller diesel engines by Mazda & Toyota were fairly dreadful. Nissan has always been a market leader, until recently, when some new high tech diesels started giving grief at a young age. Ditto Isuzu.
New European diesels require a very clean type of diesel fuel, but this new diesel fuel often wrecks the diesel pump on older Japanese models.
Outside of Europe, sales of diesel vehicles were expected to fall, but the opposite happened as fuel prices rose.
We’d advise you to avoid diesels altogether unless your needs can only really be met by having a diesel engine. If you must have a diesel, buy new or with caution, perhaps great caution, and for God’s sake have it checked out by a diesel mechanic before you pay over any money
作者: casanova 时间: 2012-7-25 16:07:25
爱国爱港 发表于 2012-7-25 14:54
http://www.dogandlemon.com/articles/diesels
Diesels often seem cheaper because the buyer is hyp ...
3q 好长读完了
作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-25 16:19:35
casanova 发表于 2012-7-25 14:38
LZ 要买全新的?
对，想买个全新的。来新西兰开的都是二手的。这次想弄个全新的开开。另外，DEALER和我说现在尼桑在打折，新车和二手的（2011 到2012 的DEMO）差不了太多。
作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-25 16:28:32
爱国爱港 发表于 2012-7-25 14:54
http://www.dogandlemon.com/articles/diesels
Diesels often seem cheaper because the buyer is hyp ...
多谢你的文章，我不会去买DIESEL的车了。看上去太多麻烦了。
作者: Scofield 时间: 2012-7-25 16:32:09
qiqiyiyi 发表于 2012-7-25 15:28
多谢你的文章，我不会去买DIESEL的车了。看上去太多麻烦了。
OMG, LZ听25楼的买汽油SUV去吧，记得把这个帖子收藏了，买车3年后，回来再看看这个帖子
这和那个死活要买SAAB的有一拼
作者: Scofield 时间: 2012-7-25 16:33:20
本帖最后由 Scofield 于 2012-7-25 15:33 编辑
知道DEALER为什么推荐你买个汽油的么？因为X TRAIL的柴油版本的根本就不愁卖
作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-25 16:37:15
cooldd 发表于 2012-7-25 13:59
去看看 subaru forester 怎么都比x-trail好
呵呵，我个人觉得SUBARU FORSTER没有尼桑看上去硬朗，最想买的是霸道，但是超预算了，所以就退而求其次想买X-TRIAL。最近看了一些视频，霸道的越野性能好像和X-TRAIL 差不多。
作者: zycverne 时间: 2012-7-25 16:38:49
qiqiyiyi 发表于 2012-7-25 15:37
呵呵，我个人觉得SUBARU FORSTER没有尼桑看上去硬朗，最想买的是霸道，但是超预算了，所以就退而求其次想 ...
退而求其次应该考虑highlander或者murano阿，怎么一下退到xtrail了
作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-25 16:44:32
Scofield 发表于 2012-7-25 15:32
OMG, LZ听25楼的买汽油SUV去吧，记得把这个帖子收藏了，买车3年后，回来再看看这个帖子
这和那个死活要买 ...
我也是怕买车后的维护成本。 这位兄弟，我想问问如果买全新的柴油车是不是问题会少一些，还有我到现在都弄不明白柴油车的ON ROAD COST怎么算。 谢谢。
作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-25 16:49:24
zycverne 发表于 2012-7-25 15:38
退而求其次应该考虑highlander或者murano阿，怎么一下退到xtrail了
也有考虑过。但是我总觉得HIGHLANDER 和MURANO 都太像城市CROSSOVER 而不是SUV了。我个人不太喜欢流线型的SUV。我比较老传统，呵呵。
作者: 爱国爱港 时间: 2012-7-25 16:55:47
Scofield 发表于 2012-7-25 15:33
知道DEALER为什么推荐你买个汽油的么？因为X TRAIL的柴油版本的根本就不愁卖
我一开始也想买柴油的，但是我和Ｄｅａｌｅｒ聊，他和我说柴油的版本保养比较贵，后续成本比较高，他建议一年开３万公里以上的人买柴油。各位高人，这是真的吗？
这个Dealer说的是实话
作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-25 16:56:15
刚刚和DEALER通了个电话，全新的X-TRAIL 柴油版本顶配能讲到44K左右，汽油版本顶配能讲到42K左右。大家决定这样的价格怎么样啊？谢谢。
作者: Scofield 时间: 2012-7-25 16:57:02
qiqiyiyi 发表于 2012-7-25 15:44
我也是怕买车后的维护成本。 这位兄弟，我想问问如果买全新的柴油车是不是问题会少一些，还有我到现在都弄 ...
路税比汽油车稍贵几十刀
柴油每公升价格+Road user charge 基本等于 汽油每公升价格
柴油SERVICE起来比汽油稍贵
柴油车适合两种人，每年高公里或者就是SUV以上的大车
有钱自然买prado, lc200之流，预算不够 x trail的性价比算很好，CVT注意勤做SERVICE，保护好波箱
作者: 爱国爱港 时间: 2012-7-25 17:02:19
qiqiyiyi 发表于 2012-7-25 15:44
我也是怕买车后的维护成本。 这位兄弟，我想问问如果买全新的柴油车是不是问题会少一些，还有我到现在都弄 ...
是如果你担心维护成本，那Rav4、Highlander和Vitara基本上是跑不掉。
作者: 爱国爱港 时间: 2012-7-25 17:02:42
zycverne 发表于 2012-7-25 15:38
退而求其次应该考虑highlander或者murano阿，怎么一下退到xtrail了
Murano带cvt的
作者: casanova 时间: 2012-7-25 17:39:31
Scofield 发表于 2012-7-25 15:33
知道DEALER为什么推荐你买个汽油的么？因为X TRAIL的柴油版本的根本就不愁卖
+ 1 just look at the 2nd hand market
作者: casanova 时间: 2012-7-25 17:45:01
qiqiyiyi 发表于 2012-7-25 15:19
对，想买个全新的。来新西兰开的都是二手的。这次想弄个全新的开开。另外，DEALER和我说现在尼桑在打折， ...
lz 你哪家nissan ? 告诉我下~~
作者: jinxin56 时间: 2012-7-25 21:50:47
Scofield 发表于 2012-7-25 14:33
买SUV必须买柴油，，，，
顶的就是这句话~！
作者: nzrover 时间: 2012-7-25 22:38:01
2手就选highlander吧。 全新可以考虑grand Vitara。 毕竟vitara是真四驱车
作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-25 22:42:42
casanova 发表于 2012-7-25 16:45
lz 你哪家nissan ? 告诉我下~~
我在基督城，问TIMARU和CHRISTCHURCH 的尼桑的DEALERSHIP。价格基本上一样，现在尼桑在做全国的活动，价格很不错。
作者: casanova 时间: 2012-7-25 22:48:48
qiqiyiyi 发表于 2012-7-25 21:42
我在基督城，问TIMARU和CHRISTCHURCH 的尼桑的DEALERSHIP。价格基本上一样，现在尼桑在做全国的活动，价格 ...
lz问 cockram nissan on moorehouse ?
作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-25 22:50:56
casanova 发表于 2012-7-25 21:48
lz问 cockram nissan on moorehouse ?
对。我也问了其他南岛其他地区的DEALERSHIP，价格其实都差不多。
作者: ALIENWARE17R3 时间: 2012-7-26 00:04:05
我在国内就开这个 我觉得挺好的 没啥问题啊
作者: 大大苯象 时间: 2012-7-26 01:43:45
qiqiyiyi 发表于 2012-7-25 11:53
哥们，这车毛病多？能具体说说吗？谢谢
我所说的是汽油版本的。毛病是发动机经常有小毛病和噪音，车的整体密封不是很好，当你开上高速或野外时明显感觉噪音很严重。车本身的铁皮也很薄，在小碰撞时很容易变形。再有就是这车延续了CVT的技术，新车还可以。但是二手车经常出现变速器问题，例如起步或上坡时很明显波箱在抖，下坡或加速时会出现提高转速不换挡等毛病。。。所以建议你还是买可靠一些的SUV吧。 像TOYOTA的，MAZDA的等。。。
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作者: wintercool 时间: 2012-7-26 22:43:30
qiqiyiyi 发表于 2012-7-25 12:07
我一开始也想买柴油的，但是我和Ｄｅａｌｅｒ聊，他和我说柴油的版本保养比较贵，后续成本比较高，他建议 ...
that's right
作者: 14371437 时间: 2012-7-30 00:24:28
买rav4算了.保值....~~
作者: youxie13 时间: 2012-7-30 00:37:22
最后买啥车了。。。。看需求啊，要常出去，拉东西必须上柴油啊。。。。。。保养又不是月月来。自己看护好点应该还好吧。除非你上越野胎。。。。呃那好像好贵啊
作者: 14371437 时间: 2012-7-30 00:57:54
买车就好象买狗.看你喜欢玩什么狗.哈哈 ..
作者: qiqiyiyi 时间: 2012-7-30 16:25:19
本帖最后由 qiqiyiyi 于 2012-7-30 15:28 编辑
多谢各位高人的意见，今天把车买了，白色TI 顶配的版本, 价格是4４k included ORＣ和几个配件. 另外送了两次保养和一副脚垫。大家觉得价格如何？
作者: Sniper_YY 时间: 2012-7-30 22:33:05
这车国内叫日产奇骏 在国内口碑蛮好的 越野能力在这个级别的SUV里面算是最强的（CRV RAV4 现代IX35 起亚智跑 铃木超级维特拉 JEEP指南者）交叉轴 单边轴 轴间驱动力分配 都能过....不过在国内的毛病也是说CVT 不好 过冷过热 都需要保护 ~~至于小毛病没发现过 （我国内朋友开的这个车 这边也有个朋友开柴油款的）不过 国内有六速手动的 这边好像没有
作者: PLA1987 时间: 2012-7-31 02:55:06
Sniper_YY 发表于 2012-7-30 21:33
这车国内叫日产奇骏 在国内口碑蛮好的 越野能力在这个级别的SUV里面算是最强的（CRV RAV4 现代IX35 起亚智跑 ...
LS是正解，对越野有点需求的话，X-TRAIL是不错的车
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