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作者: manukau1234 时间: 2012-9-6 21:56:10 标题: Block NZ competition

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作者: felicia8585 时间: 2012-9-6 22:10:58

非常訝異Ben and Libby的房價, 因為洋人電台也討論,都說很容易過 1 million.但卻沒有.至少四個房子都賣出了!

作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-6 22:11:24

What sort of value do u reckon?

作者: awesome.possum 时间: 2012-9-6 22:12:42

too close to main road..............

作者: manchild 时间: 2012-9-6 22:14:38

四个房子差不多，为什么第一个买到96万？

作者: manukau1234 时间: 2012-9-6 22:17:53

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作者: manchild 时间: 2012-9-6 22:33:59

HILLCREST像居民区，静。ANZAC像商业区，乱。

作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-6 22:52:45

manukau1234 发表于 2012-9-6 22:17
i compare recent auction, one at hillcrest ( one old house , stanaway) with many asian bidders an ...

Every property has two types of values: market value and intrinsic value. MV is fools game. The more fools participate, the higher MV. Unfortunately, property professionals, ie, registered valuers, are part of those fools as they value property at MV.

IV is worked out by using financial model, which is more sophsticated, but more close to real value.

When I purchase an investment property, I have a framework to follow. Calculation of IV is one of means to assist me to make decision.

Although investing is more arts than science, I think a serious property investor should understand how to work out a property' intrinsic value.

作者: winny 时间: 2012-9-6 22:53:05

作者: 房屋估价师 时间: 2012-9-6 22:54:36

74号的装修的感觉要比78号差很多，但是最后的结果74号还是太便宜了。拍的顺序好像是从估价最高的到最低的（拍之前，有估价师做过估价）。

作者: manukau1234 时间: 2012-9-6 23:15:29

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作者: manukau1234 时间: 2012-9-6 23:19:05

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作者: proinv 时间: 2012-9-7 09:27:01

Recently I have seen lots of auction and agree that auction price is a complex result of house itself and people's psychology and emotion. So calculate and do due delligence is so important and to be reasonable and not emotional when take part in the auction.

作者: felicia8585 时间: 2012-9-7 10:19:48

四个房子差不多，为什么第一个买到96万？

這節目我從頭看到尾,他們有太陽能板(省電)heat pump和中央控溫系統,客廳有個大的落地窗(分三段)可完全推到底,廚房是瓦斯,客廳餐廳廚房非常大,是典型洋人風格的設計!

作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-7 10:41:46

manukau1234 发表于 2012-9-6 23:19
if you use intrinciv value to value 74 anzac, what kind of price range you reckon?

Without detailed information, I can't tell, and I don't intend to disclose more about intrinsic value as it's my unique means.

But I can tell you my story: I started to buy investment houses in 2001, and bought houses in five consecutive years, and then ceased buying in 2005 because I couldn't find AKL houses which their MV are lower than IV. Such situation has been continuing even the market has been experiencing through GFC. Put another way, since 2005, I have been unable to find cheap AKL houses. In 2010, I purchased a few CBD apartments as my calculation showed those apartments MV were 30-50% lower than their IV. Today, you can still find apartments MV lower than IV, but the gap is much smaller.

作者: manukau1234 时间: 2012-9-7 11:33:39

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作者: manchild 时间: 2012-9-7 12:44:54

Top TV do-up home to become an office.

作者: 阿海 时间: 2012-9-7 13:02:04

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intrinsic value:

1) the street looks nice
2) nice section with view
3) flat section with privacy and big backyard for my kids
4) exclusive backyard on my unit so I can relax and no one can see me

doesn't require maths to work that out bro...

PS: don't pay for nice things, work out your yield.

作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-7 13:22:10

阿海发表于 2012-9-7 13:02
intrinsic value:

1) the street looks nice

You haven't got full picture of intrinsic value. What you have listed is qualitative factors, there are quantitative factors as well. It's certainly to have math involved.

作者: manukau1234 时间: 2012-9-7 13:36:53

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作者: 阿海 时间: 2012-9-7 13:37:41

Lease 发表于 2012-9-7 13:22
You haven't got full picture of intrinsic value. What you have listed is qualitative factors, ther ...

你只是找些原因安慰自己买高了价钱吧？

作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-7 13:39:45

manukau1234 发表于 2012-9-7 13:36
care to share your property portfolio value
eg houses,
apartments

Sorry can't tell, that's my privacy.

作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-7 13:45:06

阿海发表于 2012-9-7 13:37
你只是找些原因安慰自己买高了价钱吧？

Little Kid you think you know everything?

You may be superior in terms of property investment than most of people in this forum. But if you think you can challenge me, I can only say you are naive.

作者: 阿海 时间: 2012-9-7 13:46:22

Lease 发表于 2012-9-7 13:45
Little Kid you think you know everything?

You may be superior in terms of property investment t ...

作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-7 13:51:37

阿海发表于 2012-9-7 13:46

小兄弟, 作为过来人大哥多说一句, 别以为你投了几幢房子, 你师傅带了带你, 就自以为是可以目中无人了. 做人还是低调谦卑点为好, 否则你会吃亏的.

作者: 阿海 时间: 2012-9-7 13:52:44

Lease 发表于 2012-9-7 13:51
小兄弟, 作为过来人大哥多说一句, 别以为你投了几幢房子, 你师傅带了带你, 就自以为是可以目中无人了. 做 ...

现在是你低调点还是我低调点啊？

我都不跟你吵了是你自己show off又不愿意跟别人分享自己经验啊。

作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-7 13:53:52

阿海发表于 2012-9-7 13:52
现在是你低调点还是我低调点啊？

我都不跟你吵了是你自己show off又不愿意跟别人分享自己经验啊。

其实我很低调, 但我没有必要在你面前低调.

作者: 阿海 时间: 2012-9-7 13:57:06

Lease 发表于 2012-9-7 13:53
其实我很低调, 但我没有必要在你面前低调.

随便你怎么说吧。

我也可以‘低调’啊，我不帮助众多网友就好啦。

作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-7 14:00:54

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阿海发表于 2012-9-7 13:57
随便你怎么说吧。

我也可以‘低调’啊，我不帮助众多网友就好啦。

小兄弟, 坦诚一点吧, 你好象是在帮助众网友, 但你敢说你没有任何Show off 的想法?

作者: 阿海 时间: 2012-9-7 14:03:25

Lease 发表于 2012-9-7 14:00
小兄弟, 坦诚一点吧, 你好象是在帮助众网友, 但你敢说你没有任何Show off 的想法?

我发帖两个目的：
1）给大家免费建议
2）给我教练打广告（斑竹本来就有这个优惠）

show off, 你什么时候看到我发帖说我又买了xxx个房子，赚了多少多少钱呢？

作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-7 14:20:43

本帖最后由 Lease 于 2012-9-8 12:37 编辑

阿海发表于 2012-9-7 14:03
我发帖两个目的：
1）给大家免费建议
2）给我教练打广告（斑竹本来就有这个优惠）

"阿海回答任何房地产投资问题"明确列出你买了多少房子. 在同一贴子里, 你写道: "１）卖家签字的那天我就赚４－５万甚至更高的equity".

这些都是你白纸黑字写的. 类似的内容我从来没有写过.

我也不想再和你argue了, 说实话跟你这样的人多啰嗦真掉了我的价. Over!

作者: 阿海 时间: 2012-9-7 14:26:28

Lease 发表于 2012-9-7 14:20
"阿海回答任何房地产投资问题"明确列出你买了多少房子. 在同一贴子里, 你写道: "１）卖家签字的那天我就赚 ...

作者: proinv 时间: 2012-9-7 14:26:55

manukau1234 发表于 2012-9-7 13:36
care to share your property portfolio value
eg houses,
apartments

是啊,LEASE 是否也可以把你的一些案例例出来做个分享呢?

作者: manukau1234 时间: 2012-9-7 15:28:58

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作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-7 15:52:38

manukau1234 发表于 2012-9-7 15:28
You might misunderstood my question, i don't ask you to specify your investments, it is more of il ...

Dear mate, you shouldn't be so lazy on learning investing. I have given sufficiently so now it's time for you guys to explore further. The easiest way may be google "intrinsic value" to get more details.

作者: proinv 时间: 2012-9-7 16:10:22

manukau1234 发表于 2012-9-7 15:28
You might misunderstood my question, i don't ask you to specify your investments, it is more of il ...

你们的英文都太好了....
看到身边的朋友们买房,其实房子跟房子带来的回报实在差别太大. 区与区差别太大.买的时机差不多,价格也差不多,最后的结果却差别很大. 10年后回过头来看,现在买入什么样的房子利润空间最大呢? 包括现金流与房子本身的增长空间.

作者: manukau1234 时间: 2012-9-7 16:45:51

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作者: manukau1234 时间: 2012-9-7 16:59:38

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作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-7 17:06:29

manukau1234 发表于 2012-9-7 16:59
let say it is your secret recipee like KFC's. You rather bring it to your grave.

If you're willing to put more efforts, there won't be any secrets. Property investment is the easiest one among all investments, I reckon.

作者: proinv 时间: 2012-9-7 18:32:10

Actually, Chinese stock market is the most attractive investment one at this stage.
在大家都恐惧的时候贪婪.
现在买入奥克兰的地产,有点在大家都贪婪的时候贪婪那种味道.

作者: manukau1234 时间: 2012-9-7 21:44:14

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作者: manchild 时间: 2012-9-7 21:57:28

回头看看，买学区的房子升副快升副大。东区Macleans,中区Epsom,北岸Westlake.

作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-7 21:59:34

proinv 发表于 2012-9-7 18:32
Actually, Chinese stock market is the most attractive investment one at this stage.
在大家都恐惧的 ...

You're bloody right, but if you think not many people make money in property market, it is much less people to make money in share market.

作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-7 22:00:51

manukau1234 发表于 2012-9-7 21:44
while you are in the valley, you thought it is mountain top........

does this property run s ...

My answer is "YES", let's see if I'm right.

作者: manukau1234 时间: 2012-9-8 08:28:34

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作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-8 10:48:06

manukau1234 发表于 2012-9-8 08:28
if you are now in 2022....... and look back at 2012 property market
what will be your thought?

You are on the right direction. The most important point for successful investment is thinking, rather than concrete methods. As everyone is in different conditions, so no single method applies to everybody. This is the reason why I don't tell much about my method. As long as your thinking is right, you'll have insight on market, and can make right decisions.

Think back to 2002, if you purchased a few rental properties, by now you have been very comfortable.

So now think forward in 2022, and image if you buy now, what will you feel by then?

作者: manukau1234 时间: 2012-9-8 17:20:04

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作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-8 19:48:35

manukau1234 发表于 2012-9-8 17:20
in a person's life time, there are a few world events that gave opportunity.... if you missed the bo ...

So any opportunities you grasp?

作者: Yunhe 时间: 2012-9-9 06:51:29

manukau1234 发表于 2012-9-7 16:59
let say it is your secret recipee like KFC's. You rather bring it to your grave.

说实话，象你这种人就应该什么都不告诉你，因为你根本不知道什么叫"Appreciation".

別人告诉你是在善待你，別人不告诉你是人家的自由选择。

Lease已经告诉了你很多（在这个贴子以及其他贴子里），你非但不知道感恩，而且人家稍微有点东西不想告诉，你就用如此恶毒的语言去嘲讽他。象你这种只知道索取，不知道付出的人真是可恶之极。

作者: manukau1234 时间: 2012-9-9 10:35:13

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作者: Yunhe 时间: 2012-9-9 13:02:00

manukau1234 发表于 2012-9-9 10:35
it is a figure of speech.

if i say " you are just like a dog barking at the wrong tree" .... ...

拜托，有你这样比喩的吗？听起来虽不致于是骂人。但至少是在发泄你的不满。

话说回来，你这只会写英文的，老到这中文论坛上来干吗？

作者: manukau1234 时间: 2012-9-10 14:36:11

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作者: Lease 时间: 2012-9-11 08:11:04

本帖最后由 Lease 于 2012-9-11 12:11 编辑

manukau1234 发表于 2012-9-10 14:36
yo, hold any fpa shares ? , your china brother hier is acquaring fpa, still a gd buy?

It's not necessary the deal will go through. Union and Green Party must be strongly against takeover bid as many fpa workers will lose jobs if haier become 100% shareholding. I think the takeover price is around $1 which is very close to yesterday's closing price, so there isn't much room to go up of sp in short-term.

Even the takeover bid does go ahead, the long-term sp is also not necessary brilliant. If you look Sony which its sp has been down to 32 years low. Sony was outsource its manufacture line to South Easter Asia and China to cut expensive Japan labour cost in 1980s. But it still can't avoid to collapse.

作者: manukau1234 时间: 2012-9-11 11:05:05

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