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作者: 南极熊 时间: 2013-5-13 17:02:00 标题: 福特最近摊上什么事儿吗？怎么开始用良心卖车了？新苦瓜的价格有点假吧？比2田都便宜.

本帖最后由南极熊于 2013-5-13 16:09 编辑

新苦瓜乞丐版，自动4驱，发动机不阉割134KW，带雾灯，39999。
新RAV4乞丐版，自动2驱，阉割版发动机107KW，没雾灯，39999.

新CRV乞丐版，自动2驱，阉割版发动机114KW，没雾灯，39999.

新现代IX35乞丐版，自动2驱，阉割版发动机122KW，没雾灯，40499.

马自达CX5乞丐版，自动2驱，发动机不阉割，没雾灯，39999.

新三菱欧蓝德，自动2驱，阉割版发动机，没雾灯，39999.

乞丐版的价格，中配版的车？FORD这是啥意思?

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作者: alex0566 时间: 2013-5-13 17:05:17

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作者: 南极熊 时间: 2013-5-13 17:10:20

alex0566 发表于 2013-5-13 16:05
我和你说哦。。。那个1.6T恐怕不怎么样。。。。从测评来看又慢又耗油

求链接。。

作者: alex0566 时间: 2013-5-13 17:23:10

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作者: 南极熊 时间: 2013-5-13 17:32:47

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alex0566 发表于 2013-5-13 16:23
http://www.caradvice.com.au/226219/2013-ford-kuga-review/

恐怕还得多看看别家的说法，真的又慢又耗油，福特开发新1.6T真的是找死了。。。马上要上市的奥斯丁蒙迪欧也是这款发动机做主力。

作者: xpd2000 时间: 2013-5-13 19:19:48

现代大亮

作者: BMW`M 时间: 2013-5-13 21:42:05

福特一直比日本几个牌子便宜吧？

作者: kiwisowyf 时间: 2013-5-13 21:47:36

第一，2田在NZ的价格就不低
第二，Ford这几年同级的的价格一直比较低，看看现在的的Focus天天特价就知道了。

作者: ilmaro 时间: 2013-5-13 21:58:00

福特一向走低价车,高价维护的路子.....

作者: luckyrabbit 时间: 2013-5-13 22:27:01

恩，当年媳妇儿第一次给福特去大保回家的时候，进门就把包摔了的...

作者: J_chn 时间: 2013-5-13 22:52:46

Trend Diesel AWD RRP From $45,990
Titanium Diesel AWD RRP From $54,990
这两款才真的好，又省油又有力。而且也更清洁

作者: nzrover 时间: 2013-5-13 23:14:01

luckyrabbit 发表于 2013-5-13 21:27
恩，当年媳妇儿第一次给福特去大保回家的时候，进门就把包摔了的...

被黑了多少？

作者: 无尾熊 时间: 2013-5-13 23:15:31

美国车 v8 的干活。。

作者: 南极熊 时间: 2013-5-13 23:21:21

J_chn 发表于 2013-5-13 21:52
Trend Diesel AWD RRP From $45,990
Titanium Diesel AWD RRP From $54,990
这两款才真的好，又省油又 ...

更清洁，为啥要缴燃油费？

作者: luckyrabbit 时间: 2013-5-13 23:44:19

nzrover 发表于 2013-5-13 22:14
被黑了多少？

那会儿在国内啦，好像花了3000吧...反正那次我在家玩游戏，懒得去，就让她自己去了，让4S店的人一顿忽悠，换了一堆东西，才2万公里的车...国内4S店太黑了，卖车少赚的钱全在保养上捞回来。

作者: J_chn 时间: 2013-5-14 00:03:29

南极熊发表于 2013-5-13 22:21
更清洁，为啥要缴燃油费？

误区了吧，汽油也有燃油费，只不过算在油价里面了。
当代柴油技术无论是从Carbon Dioxide的排放, Carbon Monoxide的排放, Nitrogen Oxides的排放, Hydrocarbons的排放还是Particulates的排放都占优。你可以参考uk的排放税的设定，当然也不代表全部

作者: 高飞 时间: 2013-5-14 00:12:36

南极熊发表于 2013-5-13 22:21
更清洁，为啥要缴燃油费？

柴油怎么可能比汽油清洁？
http://club.china.com/data/thread/1638757/2723/36/52/6_1.html

作者: J_chn 时间: 2013-5-14 00:22:53

高飞发表于 2013-5-13 23:12
柴油怎么可能比汽油清洁？
http://club.china.com/data/thread/1638757/2723/36/52/6_1.html

还真不敢去加中国的柴油，提炼技术差太多。而且中美两国国内工业用柴油都不够，政府不扶持是真

The five main emissions for petrol and diesel cars are:

Carbon Dioxide (CO2)

Carbon Monoxide (CO)

Nitrogen Oxides (NOx)

Hydrocarbons

Particulates

Of these five, a diesel car is better than a petrol car with three of them, about the same with one, and worse with one. Only one of these classes of emissions is visible (particulates, or soot), and rather unfortunately for diesel cars, that is the one which is worse for them. The three emissions for which petrol cars are worse are invisible, so you won't realise that they are there; however they still cause harm to health and the environment.

What problems do these emissions cause, and how does diesel stack up:

Carbon Dioxide

Carbon dioxide is the main cause for concern at the moment, and is the subject of international agreements to try to reduce its output. Carbon dioxide is causing global warming; this is a known fact. Carbon dioxide is produced by any burning of fossil fuels, and is caused by production of electricity by most current powerstations; this means that electric cars cause carbon dioxide emissions too. Carbon dioxide does not cause any health issues.

Carbon dioxide emissions are directly proportional to fuel consumption, and as diesel cars use 30 to 40% less fuel, they emit 30 to 40% less carbon dioxide than petrol cars. Natural gas and LPG cars are actually quite fuel inefficient, if otherwise cleaner burning, and so produce more CO2 than a diesel.

Although CO2 emissions are not directly harmful to us, they are changing our climate. The legacy these emissions will leave will be felt by every generation after us.

Carbon Monoxide

Carbon monoxide is a poison. It has no smell, but can kill you without you realising what is happening. Carbon monoxide is the reason why you should not run you car engine (petrol) in a confined space. Diesel engines produce virtually no carbon monoxide, a petrol engine produces enough to kill you. The main remedy to carbon monoxide emissions of petrol engines has been the introduction of catalytic converters, however there are problems with cats:

They don't work until they are hot, maybe 10 or 15 minutes of driving. As most car journeys only last 10 or 15 minutes, the cat is not terribly effective.

They increase fuel consumption.

They are easily poisoned and stop working.

They are easily mechanically damaged.

Nitrogen Oxides

Nitrogen is the main constituent of the air that we breathe. When it is exposed to high pressures and temperatures it combines with oxygen in the air to form nitrous oxides. The nitrous oxides then combine with low level ozone to form smog. Because of the way a diesel engine works, with an excess of air inside the engine (rather than "just enough" as in a petrol engine, which is what causes CO emissions), nitrous oxides are more likely to be formed. However tests of actual cars reveal that whilst emissions of NOx are higher in a new diesel than a new petrol car, that by 50,000 miles or so they are the same, and after that the petrol engine produces more than the diesel. Therefore over the life cycle of the car, petrol and diesel engine emissions of nitrous oxides are similar. Emissions of nitrous oxides can be effectively reduced in both petrol and diesel cars by use of exhaust gas recirculation (EGR). EGR reduces the combustion temperature to below the point where nitrogen effectively burns.

Hydrocarbons

Hydrocarbons include chemicals such as benzene. Benzene is an extremely carcinogen chemical, and has been declared unsafe by the World Health Organisation in any concentration. Hydrocarbon emissions are contained in petrol engine emissions much more than in diesel engine emissions. Benzene is also present in the fumes which can be smelt when filling up with petrol at a service station, this is not a problem with diesel.

Particulates

Particulates or smoke are really the only problem for diesels (compared with petrol engines). Most of the controversies and newspaper scare stories center around particulates. Various groups have been trying for years to prove a link between diesel smoke and cancer, and so far have failed to actually prove anything. Friends of the Earth may come up with statements such as "Small particles are believed to lead to 8,100 premature urban deaths every year (1.9% of all deaths in urban areas)" and then apply them to diesel emissions, but this is flawed because:

The studies were carried out in American cities where the penetration of diesel in the market is lower. Any increase in deaths due to particulates, if it exists, may be caused be particulates from some other source; the particulates in question have not been indisputably linked with diesel emissions.

Even in Europe, particulates from diesel cars are a very small percentage of the particulate emissions which we breathe; most are from industry.

Diesel engines emit more PM10 particles, that is particles which have a diameter up to 10 microns, but petrol cars actually emit more PM1 particles than diesel ones. These particles are smaller than 1 micron and are invisible. They are also more likely to penetrate deeply into human lungs (as they are smaller) and look less like a natural dust particle, which human lungs have evolved to cope with.

Even if particulates are a factor in the deaths of 8,100 people every year in the UK, then these are the most seriously unwell people in the country. The fact is that we are talking about 8,100 people who are about to die, with or without particulates around.

The original research which led to the link between deaths and particulates is being questioned. See Merlise Clyde's paper, Model Uncertainty and Health Effect Studies for Particulate Matter, which can be downloaded from THE NATIONAL RESEARCH CENTER FOR STATISTICS AND THE ENVIRONMENT in Washington.

Summary

Diesel cars are better than petrol cars with reference to carbon dioxide, the global warming gas.

Diesel cars are better than petrol cars with reference to carbon monoxide, a poison.

Diesel cars are better than petrol cars with reference to hydrocarbons which cause cancer.

Diesel cars are similar to petrol cars with reference to nitrous oxides, which cause smog.

Diesel cars are worse than petrol cars with reference to particulates, which have unproved health impacts.

作者: J_chn 时间: 2013-5-14 00:56:58

高飞发表于 2013-5-13 23:12
柴油怎么可能比汽油清洁？
http://club.china.com/data/thread/1638757/2723/36/52/6_1.html

国内文章还是算了吧，来个AA nz的

Environmental impactNo engines are good for the environment. However, minimising environmental damage should be of concern to all motorists.

CO2 (Carbon dioxide) is one of the major greenhouse gases that has been linked to discussions on climate change. Generally, diesel engines emit a lower level of CO2 per kilometre travelled so could be considered better for the environment.
CO (Carbon monoxide) is a lethal gas produced by petrol engines. While CO emissions have been combated with the use of catalytic convertors, they only work effectively once they have reached operating temperature, so CO is still a by-product of petrol engines during the warm-up phase.
NOx (Nitrous Oxide) combines with low level ozone to form smog. While NOx can be higher in a new diesel than a new petrol engine, petrol engines produce more NOx over time.
HC (Hydrocarbon) in fuels contains harmful chemicals including benzene. Benzene has been proved to be highly carcinogenic. HC emissions are much higher in petrol engines than diesel.
SPM (Suspended Particulate Matter) refers to particles suspended in the air, such as soot, emitted from the exhaust of a diesel engine. While modern diesels are fitted with particulate filters, SPM emissions are still high in older diesel engines.

Petrol or diesel - which one should you buy?
http://www.aa.co.nz/cars/maintenance/fuel-prices-and-types/petrol-or-diesel-which-one-should-you-buy/

作者: J_chn 时间: 2013-5-14 01:21:32

高飞发表于 2013-5-13 23:12
柴油怎么可能比汽油清洁？
http://club.china.com/data/thread/1638757/2723/36/52/6_1.html

以楼主帖子里提及到的车（ford kuga）为例子

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