吃草的狮子 发表于 2015-1-16 00:00
现在看确实挺变态，但不要忘了，一千多年前人类平均寿命20多。
吃草的狮子 发表于 2015-1-16 00:00
现在看确实挺变态，但不要忘了，一千多年前人类平均寿命20多。
There is an alarming rise in the number of Syrian refugee girls in Jordan being forced into early marriages, according to the new figures from the United Nations.
As Orla Guerin reports from Zaatari refugee camp, poverty is forcing some families to effectively sell their daughters to much older men, and there is now an organised trade in young girls.
In a prefabricated cabin in the sprawling camp, a girl, 13, sat on the floor engulfed by a frilly white dress, and a hooded silk cape.
She was surrounded by children, not much younger than her, clapping and singing a nursery rhyme.
What looked like a game of dressing-up was in fact her wedding reception. Her Mother looked on from a distance and wept - for her war torn homeland, and perhaps for her daughter. She asked us not to give their names.
Earlier, at a makeshift beauty salon, a fellow Syrian refugee curled the girl's hair and layered make-up on her face - the finishing touches to the end of a childhood.
The bride told me her 25-year-old husband had been chosen by her family and she had never seen him before. She appeared relaxed, and said she was happy to be getting married. The reality is she had no choice.
Almost one third ( 32% ) of refugee marriages in Jordan involve a girl under 18, according to the latest figures from Unicef. This refers to registered marriages, so the actual figure may be much higher. The rate of child marriage in Syria before the war was 13%.
daughters, but the UN says most are driven by poverty.
"The longer the crisis in Syria lasts, the more we will see refugee families using this as a coping mechanism," said Michele Servadei, deputy Jordan representative for Unicef. "The vast majority of these cases are child abuse, even if the parents are giving their permission."
In Zaatari camp - a city of the dispossessed sprouting in the desert - some are married before they reach their teens.
Jordanian midwife Mounira Shaban, known in the camp as "Mama Mounira", was invited to the wedding of a 12-year old girl
"I felt like I wanted to cry," she said. "I felt like she was my daughter. I think this is violence. It's a shame. If a girl is 18 or over they think she is old and will not marry."
Girl married at 15, who is getting a divorce: 'I was just dreaming of the wedding dress'
Mounira tries to spare oung girls from adult burdens. At her clinic she lectures refugees, sitting on benches in the sand, about the problems faced by young brides.
They don't know how to cook," she said, "and they don't know how to read and write.
They have to take care of their husbands, when they want to go outside and play. Many of them get divorced."
That is what is ahead for a slender 17-year-old we met who did not want to be identified. She was married at 15 and has a treasured baby girl.
The two-month old wriggled in her arms, snug in a pink and white baby-grow, and her mother's love. But her husband is threatening to take the child away, as the price of her freedom.
Zaatari is a camp is an expanse of the dispossessed, a place of interrupted lives
I am not scared of divorce. I know I will start a new life, but I am scared that my daughter will be taken from me," she said. "I will die without her. A mother's heart burns if her child is taken from her."
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 12:12
我觉得不应该跨越时代忽略背景，单独抽个问题来断章取义，例如古代战乱饥荒还人吃人啦，你以为吃人的那位在 ...
A friend of mine sent me a a Daily Beast piece that said, "A new law would approve marriage to girls as young as nine in a bid to appease the nation's conservatives ahead of parliamentary elections in the Iraqi parliament in the last days before the April 30 election." and asked what I think about it as a Muslim mother from Turkey who has a beautiful daughter!
"What in the God's green earth are you talking about!... I started. My answer is simple: Both trying to make a new law to let girls marry as young as nine and claim that it's Islamic are not really acceptable. You cannot relate that wrongdoing with a religion! Underage marriages are child abuse and "abuse" doesn't have any religion or nationality.
However, this month's plan by Iraqi parliamentarians to legalize underage marriage at ninefollows the Pakistan Islamic Council's demand last month that Pakistan abolish all legal restrictions on child marriage, the revelation that Syrian refugee girls are being sold into marriage against their will and the increased pressure in many African countries to ease the restrictions on selling child brides.
Child marriage, defined as a formal marriage or informal union before age 18, is catastrophic for most girls. The most common reasons for child marriage are poverty, lack of education, religious myths, gender inequality in society, insufficient laws or belief of a culture that a girl would be safer once married.
A report from the UN's Children Fund (UNICEF) shows that a great number of adolescents give birth in developing countries, and they are mainly girls with little or no education from low-income households in rural areas. Also, a UNFPA survey that took place in 2010, in 54 of the world's poorest countries, 36.4 million women between the ages of 20 and 24 reported having given birth before they were 18. Bangladesh, Chad, Guinea, Mali, Mozambique and Niger are countries where early marriage is the most common.
Nowadays, Islam is the major religion in most of those countries, thus one area of Islamic law that has been subject to heavy criticism. Many of them believe that Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) is the originator of this repugnant practice because some men use his marriage to Aisha (R.A.) as an excuse to marry girls at young ages and claim that they do it to honor Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.)'s sunnah because it is known that his sunnah's are the primary source of law, ethics and behavior Muslims should follow besides the laws of the Koran. Yet again, these men purposely misapprehended Prophet Muhammad's sunnah of marriage.
The best translation for Sunnah can be "a normative behavior of the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.)." He did marry nine times, and except Aisha (R.A.), all of his wives were previously married (either divorcees or widows) and they were quite old. His first wife, Khadijah (R.A.), was 15 years older: He was 25, she was 40 when they got married. Their marriage lasted for over 25 years by the time she passed away. Also, their marriage was monogamous, despite the regularity of polygamy at that time. Thus this marriage should also be considered as a standard of sunnah marriage because this marriage was the longest for the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.).
Also, marriage and family have a very important place in Islam. In the Koran 30:21, marriage is described as combination of peace, comfort, tranquility and fulfillment of a natural instinct. The text explains that an important purpose of marriage is to achieve psychological, emotional, and spiritual companionship. So to accomplish this type of companionship level, parties should be equal in a way of access to marriage and compatible in marriage. Thus, child marriages cannot be considered as Islamic because to perform the marriage according to Islamic principles, both parties should reach the age of maturity and physically, emotionally, and mentally to be able to consent independently. Islam clearly insists that marrying off a girl without her consent is not acceptable.
"Complications from pregnancy and childbirth are the leading causes of death for girls ages 15-19 in developing countries. Of the 16 million adolescent girls who give birth every year, about 90 percent are already married. UNICEF estimates that some 50,000 die, almost all in low- and middle-income countries. Stillbirths and newborn deaths are 50 percent higher among mothers under the age of 20 than in women who get pregnant in their 20s."
Early age marriages in Turkey
Even though child marriage is illegal in Turkey, it is a common practice in rural areas. When 33-year-old Berivan Elif Kılıç was officially elected mayor last week as a survivor of a child marriage, early marriages have become an issue of a discussion in Turkey. Kılıç said her mother had been married off at a similar age, so she did not think twice about having Berivan marry at 15. "Nobody is questioning why girls are being forced to marry at such a young age," she said. Ms.Kılıç wasn't the first child bride in Turkey and unfortunately, she will not be the last.
According to the Strategic Research Organization (USAK), child marriages in Turkeyconstitute 14 percent of all marriages. A study of Turkish marriage practices conducted by Hacettepe University in 2011 reveals that the issue of child brides may be more prevalent in Turkey than one might think. The study indicates that almost 40 percent of Turkish women between 15 and 49 years of age were married by their 18th birthday. This new tendency of a disproportionally higher number of underage girls is very disturbing especially when "there is an increase of 94.2% in application to courts by families to get marriage permit," according to Professor Dr. Nazan Moroglu, president of the Turkish Federation of University Women. Dr. Moroglu indicates "the problem is not the law itself but its lack of implementation."
Actually, early marriage has been prohibited in Turkey since 1926. According to the Turkish Civil Code, a person may marry at age 17 with parental consent and at age 16 under special circumstances with court approval. The incidence of marriages of 16 and 17-year-old girls culturally is acceptable. According to the information from Dr. Erhan Tunç, an assistant professor at Gaziantep University, one in three marriages in Turkey involves at least one party under 18 years old. His research also puts forward that 82% of child brides in Turkey are illiterate. Also, in many cases girls get married while still only 11 to 14 years old to older adult men or widowers.
Flexibility in legislation on prohibition of child marriage, and poor implementation of existing laws are the main barriers for changing the mentality that doesn't distinguish child marriage as wrongdoing. Nevertheless, there are uplifting religious voices against child marriage recently in Turkey. In November 2013, the head of Turkey's Islamic Religious Affairs, Mehmet Görmez, condemned "parents who forcefully marry off underage girls to older men, without girls' consent, before they have not gained the maturity for being a wife and mother as 'ruthless'." He added that, "In Hanafi Madhab minimum age for marriage is 17. Whoever claims an argument or justification [for child brides] in any Islamic source, does injustice both to religion and that girl child. Thus it is all our responsibility to take all these information [historical facts] again and share them with society anew."
Nowadays, a faithful Muslim man should not think of getting married to an under aged girl with an excuse of 'honoring sunnah' because early aged marriages harm the name of the religion. Also, it would be a big mistake to universalize a particular action of the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) without analyzing the circumstances of his era. Also, to distinguish between culture and religion is a big challenge. Thus the minimum age decreed in marriage laws in the USA are dependent on cultural background in some way, and they change remarkably from state to state. For instance, in New Hampshire and Massachusetts, individuals can get married with parental consent at the young ages of 13 and 12, respectively.
Underage marriages occur not because Islam allows them to, but they occur because women are powerless to stop them and men allow the marriages to take place. In many communities, the fathers, village chiefs, and religious leaders, who have the privilege to make these decisions, are males. Thus empowering girls through education is a must to stop child marriages. Helping girls become aware of their rights by including gender equality in school curricula is crucial yet not only do girls need to be educated, but also men of the societies have to be educated to change their mindset. Governments, NGOs, local authorities, teachers, school directors, doctors, nurses and religious leaders have to work together to make it happen. At the local level, mutual efforts should be performed with some prominent members of community. Child marriages are a form of modern day slavery, and they have to end. Justice should prevail and Islam is a religion for peace not for violations of human rights.
匿名者 发表于 2015-1-16 12:33
在阿富汗和也门，即使在今天，强迫小女孩嫁给老男人的事情还习以为常，令人震惊。这又怎么解释！ ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 12:47
每个人，每个民族，每个宗教， 都由于自身发展而形成一套独特的价值观， 价值观本身并无是非对错， 对错 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 12:47
每个人，每个民族，每个宗教， 都由于自身发展而形成一套独特的价值观， 价值观本身并无是非对错， 对错 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 12:47
每个人，每个民族，每个宗教， 都由于自身发展而形成一套独特的价值观， 价值观本身并无是非对错， 对错 ...
gravel 发表于 2015-1-16 13:02
客观理性的观点比感性的观点好，因为它不是从“我”出发。
匿名者 发表于 2015-1-16 12:59
宗教信仰，民族习惯可以不同，但人性本质应该是一样的。
如果你有个六岁的女儿，或许你的观点可以更感性 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 13:10
谈到“人性本质”，就是个非常复杂的话题了， 不是三言两语说得完， 简单来说， 我同意"人性本质是一样的 ...
匿名者 发表于 2015-1-16 13:14
You are effectively saying that its justified to rape a young gir. Am I right? Hope I am wrong.
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 13:19
I believe you totally have no idea what my point is . Try to go back and read again please.
匿名者 发表于 2015-1-16 13:06
文明需要进步，宗教传统需要以尊重人性为基础。
我所说的感性，指的是humanity。
gravel 发表于 2015-1-16 13:21
我噗嗤一声笑出声来。什么是人性？善？恶？无善无恶？既善又恶？谁来定义？还是不是价值观。-建议读物 Sa ...
匿名者 发表于 2015-1-16 13:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQlX-utp7JA
Recommended Video: Allah of the Quran is the Greatest Deceiver http://youtu.be/psvUZ_B2zIA
Comments: Gulf News' denial is rejected by the Journalist concerned. Mohammad Radman, the freelance journalist from the Yemeni province who broke the story, insists the girl's neighbors told him she was "dead and buried."
"They are willing to give their testimony on this issue," he told Gulf News, adding: "I think the officials are trying to bury the story."
Moreover, two Meedi residents contacted by Reuters confirmed the incident and said tribal chiefs had tried to cover up the incident when the news broke, warning a local journalist against covering the story.
Introduction:
8-year-old Yemeni child dies at hands of 40-year-old husband on wedding night.
Al Nahar, Lebanon, has reported that an eight year old child bride died in Yemen on her wedding night after suffering internal injuries due to sexual trauma. Human rights organizations are calling for the arrest of her husband who was five times her age.
The death occurred in the tribal area of Hardh in northwestern Yemen, which borders Saudi Arabia. This brings even more attention to the already existing issue of forced child marriages in the Middle Eastern region.
It is reported that over a quarter of Yemen's young girls are married before the age of 15. Not only do they lose access to health and education, these child brides are commonly subjected to physical, emotional and sexual violence in their forced marriage.
One of the main issues is that there is currently no consistent established definition of a "child" that has been agreed upon worldwide. This leaves various interpretations within countries and little protection for those who are affected.
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 13:28
我也看过很多纪录片， 说现代以美国为首的西方国家近二十年来在中东各个战争杀了不少平民， 当中很多是妇 ...
匿名者 发表于 2015-1-16 13:34
你提到的在战争中杀害平民，包括妇女小孩，绝对是错的，毫无疑问。这还用问吗？
我们谈论的是以婚姻为 ...
匿名者 发表于 2015-1-16 13:34
你提到的在战争中杀害平民，包括妇女小孩，绝对是错的，毫无疑问。这还用问吗？
我们谈论的是以婚姻为 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 13:40
那如果这事发生在今天的世俗国家， 当然是违法的， 但如果在伊斯兰世界， 我想应该去问问他们的人，外人 ...
匿名者 发表于 2015-1-16 13:45
正因为有这个“体系”做借口，所以在很多穆斯林国家，pedophile可以用婚姻作掩护，随意强奸小女孩
It nee ...
匿名者 发表于 2015-1-16 13:45
正因为有这个“体系”做借口，所以在很多穆斯林国家，pedophile可以用婚姻作掩护，随意强奸小女孩
It nee ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 12:28
我也看过很多纪录片， 说现代以美国为首的西方国家近二十年来在中东各个战争杀了不少平民， 当中很多是妇 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 12:28
我也看过很多纪录片， 说现代以美国为首的西方国家近二十年来在中东各个战争杀了不少平民， 当中很多是妇 ...
paul123 发表于 2015-1-16 13:56
恐怖主义是以滥杀平民作为目标好不好？西方国家那是不是以杀平民作为目标，你真脑残。 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 12:59
那你不脑残， 想想恐怖主义为什么会产生？ 为什么会用滥杀平民这么极端的方法？ 就最新的法国杂志社屠杀 ...
paul123 发表于 2015-1-16 13:58
你这么恨以美国为首的西方国家，干脆把西方白人全灭了，留下黑人和中国人和穆斯林算了。你看看这个世界会 ...
paul123 发表于 2015-1-16 14:00
好吧，如果有天你有意无意嘲笑我，我就提刀去你家杀了你全家，
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 13:02
和以见得我就恨美国了？ 哪里看出来我说要要把西方人全灭？ 这就是你这个所谓不脑残的人自我意淫？
何况 ...
paul123 发表于 2015-1-16 14:05
懒的和你说，真正脑残的人，不解释。你小心点，今天你惹火我了，我确实也是穆斯林的。 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 13:06
我很害怕啊。 某人小号
这是高级黑人家穆斯林吗？
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 13:06
我很害怕啊。 某人小号
这是高级黑人家穆斯林吗？
paul123 发表于 2015-1-16 14:08
真是有毛病的人，居然支持恐怖主义的，你脑袋是不是进水了？你想过那些被恐怖主义滥杀的无辜人民和他们的 ...
你小心点还要你全家，今天你惹火我了，我其实也是穆斯林的
paul123 发表于 2015-1-16 14:10
就算退1000步，美国是鸟人，你再怎么想报复，也不应该拿平民百姓来做枪把子。 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 13:14
客观来说， 这不是我能判断的， 你去找上帝问问， 记得还要问问谁都知道“不应该拿平民百姓来做枪把子” ...
paul123 发表于 2015-1-16 14:15
你意思是说，美国惹我，我就去杀平民报复美国？
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 13:16
这可是你的逻辑， 别强加于人， 我和绝大部分人一样， 是鄙视你这样的恐怖逻辑的 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 14:04
我想我确实没有办法去推测和预先阻止一个神经病人将要做的事。
paul123 发表于 2015-1-16 14:18
大部分人喝你不一样，他们都不支持恐怖主义去杀平民，就你一个脑残，快吃药吧 ...
直面异议 发表于 2015-1-16 14:19
理想是丰满的现实是骨感的。
伊斯兰教要求的理解和尊重是单方面的。
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 13:23
你在尝试说明， 不应该让他们发展， 那么西方的所谓尊重多元文化， 宗教自由等都是虚伪的吗？ ...
paul123 发表于 2015-1-16 14:26
宗教也有分邪教的，你试下，把穆斯林放在中国，中国政府就端掉它像端掉全能神一样。西方也一样，违反人权 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 13:28
如果他们确实危害了中国国家安全，或损害国家利益，中国政府可以把它们定义为邪教，就如之前的轮子一样， ...
paul123 发表于 2015-1-16 14:30
事实就是穆斯林滥杀无辜，所以就是邪教，到此为止，你就一脑残，鉴定完毕。 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 14:23
你在尝试说明， 不应该让他们发展， 那么西方的所谓尊重多元文化， 宗教自由等都是虚伪的吗？ ...
直面异议 发表于 2015-1-16 14:54
多元化如果不以一些基本的共同价值观为基础，必然会失败。而且已经失败。英国、法国的不少穆斯林已经是第 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 15:01
如果基于共同价值观， 那就不叫“多元文化”了， 多元共融的目的就是互相理解互相尊在对方的价值观，以及 ...
直面异议 发表于 2015-1-16 15:20
一个社会当然必须有一些价值观是共同的。
按你的逻辑，童婚、多妻、都应该被尊重喽？
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 11:47
每个人，每个民族，每个宗教， 都由于自身发展而形成一套独特的价值观， 价值观本身并无是非对错， 对错 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 13:40
那如果这事发生在今天的世俗国家， 当然是违法的， 但如果在伊斯兰世界， 我想应该去问问他们的人，外人 ...
直面异议 发表于 2015-1-16 15:20
一个社会当然必须有一些价值观是共同的。
按你的逻辑，童婚、多妻、都应该被尊重喽？
snowlight 发表于 2015-1-16 15:34
不管什么价值观也不可以违反自然规律吧，或者人建立在其他人的痛苦上。女孩子不到年龄，生理都没有发育好 ...
MikeWazowski 发表于 2015-1-16 15:37
我可以这样问问你吗？只是想搞清楚你的意思。
如果当地的法律没有规定，当地成年人因为某些原因导致了他 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 15:42
所以以我个人立场，我从头到尾都没有说我认同这些， 我只是说我没资格去判断对错， 因为我们只知道表象， ...
snowlight 发表于 2015-1-16 16:55
知道有如何，有些事错了就是错了，需要改进就是应该改，我们可以不去责怪1000年前他们先知的做法，但是现 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 16:02
我没这么伟大，能凭自己价值观去批判别人，我只能代表自己，说不出错就是错，特别是凭片面之词 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 16:44
这还是价值观问题， 在我们世俗价值观， 这是不可接受到， 但在他们的价值观，也许相反， 我不知到， 也 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 15:42
所以以我个人立场，我从头到尾都没有说我认同这些， 我只是说我没资格去判断对错， 因为我们只知道表象， ...
MikeWazowski 发表于 2015-1-16 17:26
有一种理解叫做common sense …… 当今社会做人最最基本的资格就是不能在身体上伤害其他人，这个和杀人放 ...
BJ0108 发表于 2015-1-16 17:37
连基本的对错价值观都没有吗？难道他们是外星人？价值观还分你的和我的？你们的，我们的？
真是醉了。这 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 18:06
价值观的差异，正是造成矛盾的根源，矛盾的激化，正是滋生恐怖活动的原因，人都是做自己认为是对的是，那 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 13:50
你依然只会以一套价值观去衡量另一个价值观， 借此来批判对方的不是， 从这个角度看， 你何尝不是以自身 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 17:11
基本的对错谁来定义？上帝？如果全人类都有一个统一的对错价值，那还需要军队警察？ ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 14:23
你在尝试说明， 不应该让他们发展， 那么西方的所谓尊重多元文化， 宗教自由等都是虚伪的吗？ ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 18:06
价值观的差异，正是造成矛盾的根源，矛盾的激化，正是滋生恐怖活动的原因，人都是做自己认为是对的是，那 ...
BJ0108 发表于 2015-1-16 18:51
对于你的回答，我已经无言以对。
杀人可以是对的，强奸也可以是对的。只要是立场不一样。你这样可以称霸宇 ...
MikeWazowski 发表于 2015-1-16 19:36
其实当你例如 - “强迫小女孩嫁给老男人的事情还习以为常” 和 “街上女人穿得摊胸露背”拿来相比并划等 ...
匿名者 发表于 2015-1-16 19:01
你所说的发展多元文化，是不是也包括鼓励奸淫幼女？
请直接回答问题，别扯转移话题。 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 20:45
当你把你自己意淫的强加于别人身上时，你应该明白你所谓的common sense其实代表什么了。 ...
MikeWazowski 发表于 2015-1-16 21:08
呵呵 居然还扯到别人意淫你了 ……
你自己没有正面回答问题的能力，搅什么江湖呢？
用文化和文化多元化 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 21:13
不知道是谁先混肴试听，偏要曲解别人意思，按自己意愿当common sense呢？
这里视频一抓一大把，也是历 ...
MikeWazowski 发表于 2015-1-16 21:44
混淆视听不是混肴试听……
楼主的视频你看了吗，这么简单的问题你都回答不了，扯扯扯 ……
“强迫小女孩 ...
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 20:54
从头到尾只是你突然冒出来扭曲地激动着，还把自己思想偏要当common sense, 我之前的回复，你看不懂就虚心 ...
匿名者 发表于 2015-1-16 22:00
意思是不要反恐，让恐怖主义继续为非作歹。
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 21:05
又错了，恐怖分子当然要打击，但要根治问题，就要抛弃什么都已自我为中心，只有自己信仰的价值观才是对的 ...
匿名者 发表于 2015-1-16 22:10
去尊重滥杀无辜的穆斯林？了解和6岁女孩结婚的穆斯林先知？要我去尊重对方，起码对方是一个值得我尊重的 ...
love_3_month 发表于 2015-1-16 21:58
和思路混乱或者没有自己意见只会捣浆糊的人没什么好讨论的啦。。。。
bintoo 发表于 2015-1-16 19:43
这就是你把你的思维强加于别人身上，请举出我那句说话证明我认为强奸是对的？还是你太自以为是，意淫成瘾 ...
love_3_month 发表于 2015-1-16 20:58
和思路混乱或者没有自己意见只会捣浆糊的人没什么好讨论的啦。。。。
BJ0108 发表于 2015-1-17 00:38
你认为强奸是不对的，我认为强奸也是不对的，这就是基本的价值观和判断标准啊。
你可不可以屡屡清你自己 ...
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