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作者: hlgdwken 时间: 2016-7-22 18:58:57 标题: 【基督教】 ★ ★ ★ ★小组开幕 ★ ★ ★ ★

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如果你住在东区，那么在地点上会很方便，我们出于基督教教会  我们的视频介绍哟~~
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1，如果你心里，不论是因为工作或者学业或者家庭，我们都会尽力去帮助关心你，为你祷告祝福。
2，不论是什么原因，你曾经或现在，不喜欢自己，忍受着你的生活，伴侣，父母，儿女等，我们会为你介绍这位无所不能的上帝，祂会带来你意想不到的快乐~
3，我们接受任何人群，不论你的目的是出于什么，我们相信，在上帝的爱里，我们终究会成为彼此的帮助                                                 4, 如果这位主对你而言很陌生，甚至需要证明这个世界上确实有一位无所不能的上帝，也欢迎你的加入，我们会一起温馨探讨，拿出实证的哦~

我们的位置是，47 Aviemore Dr Highland park Auckland
我们的时间，每周五晚上7：30~9:00

如果你是第一次接触信仰和上帝，那么不要害羞，实在的祝福与快乐你自己会体会的到~
我的微信是，zach_crow 微信名字是 ken  yuren    我的FB搜索关键词是Zach C Ken
我的实名是ken
愿神祝福各位朋友~~~

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-7-22 19:35:08

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lzhizhao 发表于 2016-7-22 19:35
"无所不能的上帝"---2万儿童死亡每年，52个儿童死亡每天，绝大部分都是因为饥饿和疾病。你这个万能的上帝每 ...

谢谢你的回复和关注，如果你愿意，可以加我的微信，我不在公共场合，参与任何评论和争辩，如果你不愿意私下聊一下，那么我会为你祷告，希望上帝会给你一个你满意的答案，愿神祝福你~

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-7-22 22:46:02

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lzhizhao 发表于 2016-7-22 22:46
哈哈，你还没到班。你只是愚信，对现在的宗教理论一窍不通。中国人都这样，跟风追潮流，但是底子里对自己 ...

那么，请你私信可以吗？就算不认识神，那么最基本的礼貌，你还是会有的吧？

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-7-22 23:00:27

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lzhizhao 发表于 2016-7-22 23:00
什么是基本礼貌？

请问我哪里不礼貌了？我为什么要私信你？关于宗教的，有什么隐私见不得人的么？

我懂，你并不是想要了解神，但是我还是希望，主耶稣成为你的祝福，至于这些经文的最基础含义，任何网站都找的到，我还是会为你祷告的，希望神可以让你真正认识祂。
我们不怕负面的词汇，因为那会【成为我们的祝福】，希望你也可以找到，我表达的经文出处~愿神赐福你~！

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-7-22 23:20:09

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lzhizhao 发表于 2016-7-22 23:20
lol，你懂个屁，我对你的神的了解大概比你还多。

我的负面词汇大多出自圣经，第二个回复里面的圣经经文 ...

那么，请你找出，默罕默德在圣经的哪里好吗？我圣经基础确实很少，没读过，但很想知道诶？谢谢你啦

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-7-22 23:34:58

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lzhizhao 发表于 2016-7-22 23:34
不好意思，说错了是Abraham在创世篇里。[Gen 22:2-8]

哦~~~我读了。没觉得怎么样啊，你的重点是？儿子死了吗？

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-7-22 23:42:13

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lzhizhao 发表于 2016-7-22 23:42
这就证明了你们教徒的道德是多么被宗教腐蚀了。如果我今天拿把刀去要杀我儿子，你会怎么说我？要是被司法 ...

请你不要粗口可以吗？很下降自己的修养，为了帮你提升，请你读懂圣经的内容，在好好的分享好吗？不要在发错名字了。亚伯拉罕哟~不是默罕默德哟~我休息去啦，愿神祝福你~~~

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-7-24 10:29:53

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lzhizhao 发表于 2016-7-24 10:29
Richard Dawkins和其他科学家在说到宗教的时候都会用到“fuck”这个词的，这个词大概成为了科学术语了。你 ...

圣经教导人不可杀人，耶稣的死和他的复活，本就是神的大能，要救一切信的人，你不懂，这是祂的救恩，一个人的修养，出于父母的教导和环境的培育，不论怎样恶劣的人，低俗的人，上帝都用同样的爱来爱他们，只是个人的自大，反而认为，自己做不到的事情，神也做不到，如果没有读懂圣经，甚至连圣经中，最耳熟能详的名字都不知道，甚至说错的人，来质疑圣经，质疑神，我不会在意，因为你只是什么都不懂，所谓的科学家，用什么词来形容宗教，这个也说明了，自大带出的一个特征，科学家，人类的科学仅仅只有500年上下时间，所阐述的论证论点不断的被推翻，直到现在还是如此，而且只有500年上下，甚至不到圣经著书的六分之一的时间，全世界，唯一的一本书【圣经】，前有预言，后有应验前后上下3400年，2200年前，就告诉教导人类水循环的道理，可现今的人，在17世纪才有学术论点，人类到现在只能是发现阐述宇宙里有的，而且还就一点点范围，甚至连地球的海底都没研究明白，可是圣经告诉我们神是创造，祂通晓所有的事，如果你所谓的科学家或者你本人，真的觉得自己如此了不起，试着像耶稣一样，在水面上行走，被人打骂心里依然平静的为人祝福，如果做不到，就请不要自大到，有多少传道牧师神父，和你聊圣经传福音，如果真的有那么多这样的人和你传教反而让你对圣经内容知道的如此少，那我只能说，你骗人，因为这些人都是传圣经真理的人，但是在你的话语里，没有神的形象，只有对神的无知，反而自以为聪明，我只想问一句，在你对圣经否认前，是否完整的读过几遍圣经？如果没有，请你停止论断，我们的信仰根基的建立，有证有据。圣经提过的历史全然验证，圣经的预言4分之3已经应验，只有末日还在应验，所以结论，不要用简单的人，衡量无限的至高神，人都不完美，衡量的尺度也有限，只有神是完美的，我们能作的只有，学着每天更像耶稣多一点，我们都在说正面的话，而不是每天抱着负面的心情只会说负面的话，如果你认为你说的粗口合宜，请用在自己的父母，看看结果，如果不合宜自己分辨那是脏话，别学一些无知人的无知去扩充自己，谢谢

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lzhizhao 发表于 2016-7-24 21:58
那你就没好好学圣经了。十诫里面一戒“thus shell not kill”.
一个宗教的信仰体系都是建立在活人祭献的神 ...

圣经所谓的活人献祭，你只是指耶稣对吗？最多加上亚伯拉罕的儿子，可惜儿子没被献祭，反而神用一只羊来代替，耶稣被称作神的羔羊，除去世人罪的。所以在你圣经中一点根基都没有的理念里，真的麻烦你读一些，了解一些，我才解释，不然说了也白说。你不理解。。耶稣是神，如果你有时间看看耶稣的DNA 报表，你应该明白了。全人类。只有祂一个，女性生命体26 男性生命体1 如果你学医，马上就懂了。这个血不构成生命，必须是男24~28，女24~28 的生命体，才构成生命，所以刚才我说，不要用人的理解，去解读神，因为你还不了解。另外，圣经不是神话故事，而是历史事实圣经记载的洪水分开，被证实是事实，圣经中诺亚方舟，被证实残体还在，圣经中的每一段都证实过千万次了。所以呢，希望你好好读经，如果你真的在圣经里找出矛盾或什么问题，那么我乐意解答，这样可以吗，好朋友

作者: hlgdwken 时间: 2016-7-24 23:04:21

本帖最后由 hlgdwken 于 2016-7-24 23:20 编辑

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q70KH__sk9U 这个你可以看看，很短的视频，证明耶稣的死和他的复活~

贡献问题，最简单不过了，我们常常为国家祷告，为和平祷告，因为耶稣是和平的君王，而且没有人会说，我们野蛮或愚蠢，相反我们身边的朋友，都愿意接触我们，因为我们愿意原谅，感恩，说正面的话，帮助有需要的人，这都是耶稣的爱
在我们当中，对未信的人，50岁的夫妻关系，还需要被一个没结婚的20几岁的年轻人调解关系【这个年轻人只是中学毕业】，这个年轻人，因为有了神的智慧，帮助起来，别人的回应都是，为什么你这么年轻，就这么懂得如何帮助别人，所以我们的见证都是出于【神】，而不是出于【神话】。神给我们自由，让你我选择接受祂和不接受，但接受的人，都是满满的祝福，神从来不强迫人，因为祂是爱，祂教导人去包容，原谅，忍耐

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-7-25 20:35:31

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-7-24 23:04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q70KH__sk9U 这个你可以看看，很短的视频，证明耶稣的死和他的复活~

邪恶并不可怕，可怕的是为邪恶辩解。

真正知道自己在犯罪的人不过，更多的是在犯罪过程中正以化自己罪行。

作者: hlgdwken 时间: 2016-7-27 18:51:47

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-7-25 20:35
邪恶并不可怕，可怕的是为邪恶辩解。

真正知道自己在犯罪的人不过，更多的是在犯罪过程中正以化自己罪行 ...

耶稣从来没做过你所谓邪恶的事情，更是无罪，不需要任何辩解，还是请你想想在问吧，我上来的时间不是很多，所以回复会比较晚，希望下次上线，会能看见一些有价值的问题~或者什么值得讨论，不会浪费大家时间好吗？

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-7-27 19:04:19

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-7-27 18:51
耶稣从来没做过你所谓邪恶的事情，更是无罪，不需要任何辩解，还是请你想想在问吧，我上来的时间不是很多 ...

我不是说耶稣，我说的是你，你把活人祭献装饰成一个美好的事情，这本身就是一种邪恶。

作者: hlgdwken 时间: 2016-8-5 23:06:10

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-7-27 19:04
我不是说耶稣，我说的是你，你把活人祭献装饰成一个美好的事情，这本身就是一种邪恶。 ...

你认识耶稣就不会这么说了，真正的美好不是出于我说，而是耶稣说。

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-5 23:23:04

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-5 23:06
你认识耶稣就不会这么说了，真正的美好不是出于我说，而是耶稣说。

对，你把活人祭献当做美好。这就是为什么我说你的道德观被宗教腐蚀。

看看你们升级的英雄做过什么？ Abraham为了你的主，会愿意杀死自己的儿子。圣经的所谓作者摩斯，攻占了城市后，屠杀全城的男人，老人，和非处女，留下年轻的处女被他的军队强奸。当然咯，对你来说这些都是美好事情。

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lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-5 23:23
对，你把活人祭献当做美好。这就是为什么我说你的道德观被宗教腐蚀。

看看你们升级的英雄做过什么？ Ab ...

麻烦你读懂了你说的那段，才发来好吗？另外一个重点是，每次你都喜欢跑题，可以拉拉你的重点吗？活人献祭，这个词你用错了，耶稣是神，以自己生命献祭，是救赎，在不懂圣经的人是理解不了的，为了亚伯拉罕杀自己的儿子，但儿子没死，神用了一只羊来代替，至于你所说的，那些所谓的攻占城市，屠杀，只因为人为神造，神有足够的主权来决定人的生命，这点上面同样的道理，神造人，希望人如同一个花瓶承载生命和怜悯，但是人执意喜欢作个锅，被烧黑了，才会后悔，甚至埋怨为什么神要它被烧黑，最后自己承载的是神的审判，就觉得不公平，神不怜悯，邪恶，那么我请问你，你选择的事情，难道都是对的吗？没有悖逆过你的父母吗？难道长这么大，你父母把你扔在一边吗？你只是不懂圣经而已，所以请你，别总是用问过的问题，重新提问，没什么新意。又不愿意好好读圣经，只是把自己的猜测写出来，我不礼貌的请问你，圣经你有读过一边吗？

作者: hlgdwken 时间: 2016-8-5 23:55:56

你的第一问题，指跟从神的人，恨家人的罪，并不是指人，好好研究了在发出来
第二问题，圣徒在人际，家庭，关系上，为因着耶稣而受逼迫，但真理不可以让步，好像你一样读不懂，就只会乱说一气
第三问题，给你一个英文时态，加了ing的死人，埋葬加了ed的死人，意义在哪？，所以人很需要到耶稣那里寻找生命，解决生命的问题，
第四个问题，耶稣表达的很清楚，谁是他的弟兄和父母，是遵行神旨意的人，就连玛利亚，称呼耶稣也都是主，你不知道吗?所以这个问题很低级，因谁都知道耶稣是神的儿子【尤其是他妈妈】
第五，耶稣不允许辱骂弟兄和忧愁人的无知，连生命的根源都不相信，为什么这么傻竟然还不回到神面前寻找生命，忧愁和辱骂你都分不清。挺为你惋惜的。

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-6 16:53:05

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-5 23:35
麻烦你读懂了你说的那段，才发来好吗？另外一个重点是，每次你都喜欢跑题，可以拉拉你的重点吗？活人献祭 ...

你的辩解有两个问题：
1 因为你认为耶稣是神，所以杀死他就不是活人祭献？那么，如果你认为我是恶魔

，然后你杀死我，那你就不是杀人犯？你觉得他是神并不代表他真是神。

2 就算我当他是神，在神学上这里有个非常大的问题。圣经里面他的死是要为人类

赎罪，就如圣经里描述其他羔羊被杀死祭献给神一样，是一个交换关系。如果耶稣

是神，那么他的祭献并没有失去任何东西，何来赎罪？

还有，你父母创造了你，你父母就可以杀你么？我不礼貌的请问你，你有最基本的

道德观和人性么？

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-6 16:58:37

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-5 23:55
你的第一问题，指跟从神的人，恨家人的罪，并不是指人，好好研究了在发出来
第二问题，圣徒在人际，家庭， ...

你喜欢怎么理解圣经这是你的问题，但不要欺骗我和其他没读过圣经的人。圣经白纸黑字写这的，普通6年级学生都可以看懂的文字，你告诉我一个完全相反的意义？你不是在愚弄我和其他人么？既然你的神这么万能，怎么他不有猪写猪，有狗写狗，非要把猪写成狗？

还有，你的所谓解析对我来说就如胡言乱语。这里我并非羞辱你，我只是想指出，如果一个伊斯兰教徒跟你解析真神阿拉为什么要教徒石刑杀死异教徒，石刑杀死非处女。这些解析你可以接受么？你要明白，你的宗教和你的解析只对你和你的教徒有用，对我们根本不相信有神，更不相信耶稣是神的人来说，你真的只是个神棍。

作者: hlgdwken 时间: 2016-8-8 22:23:03

个人理解，你的一切问题的出发点，是没好好理解圣经，换句话说，甚至连上下文都没有好好看，只是断章取义，另外我没必要在祝福人的过程中，添加任何欺骗或攻击，对我而言没意义，另外，神救赎人，是祂的大能的彰显，要救一切信的人，当然不信的人，我也不会论断，这也是我的态度，如果神没有绝对的主权，我也不会鼓励你信，另外神救赎人，并不是一个交换或者是交易，而是白白的恩典，白给。你不需要花钱，信就有永生，另外救赎一个人和一群人，你认为是什么的价值可以交换生命的问题和结果？另外，关于另一个问题，父母生小孩，是否会杀小孩，这个问题，你只站在人的角度上去看，神创造了生命，祂不希望人，落入永死，所以才救赎人，因为罪，没有一个人在地球上不会死，但因为耶稣的救赎和复活，在信的人们，以后就有了盼望，活在永恒里，活在没有欺骗，没有争斗，没有一切的罪，只有爱亲人一起在神的安息里，得着祝福，这是神要给人的，并不是你想的那样，祝福你，我们保持联系·

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-9 12:01:49

A Moral Problem—the slaughter of the Canaanites (Josh 6, 8, 10).

Israel was commanded by God to completely exterminate the Canaanite inhabitants of the land including men, women, and children. This has been called a primitive and barbaric act of murder perpetrated on innocent lives.

Several factors must be kept in mind in viewing this situation. (1) There is a difference between murder and justifiable killing. Murder involves intentional and malicious hatred which leads to life-taking. On the other hand, the Bible speaks of permissible life-taking in capital punishment (Gen. 9:), in self defense (Exod. 22:2), and in a justifiable war (Gen. 14). (2) The Canaanites were by no means innocent. They were a people cursed of God from their very beginning (Gen. 9:25). They were a vile people who practiced the basest forms of immorality. God described their sin vividly in these words, “I punished its iniquity, and the land vomited out its inhabitants” (Lev. 18:25). (3) Further, the innocent people of the land were not slaughtered. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah clearly demonstrates that God would save a whole city for ten righteous people (Gen. 18:22f.). In that incident, when God could not find ten righteous people, He took the four or five righteous ones out of the place so as not to destroy them with the wicked (Gen. 19:15). On another occasion God saved some thirty-two thousand people who were morally pure (Num. 31:35). Another notable example is Rahab, whom God saved because she believed (cf. Heb. 11:31). (4) God waited patiently for hundreds of years, giving the wicked inhabitants of Canaan time to repent (cf. 2 Peter 3:9) before He finally decided to destroy them (Gen. 15:16). When their iniquity was “full,” divine judgment fell. God’s judgment was akin to surgery for cancer or amputation of a leg as the only way to save the rest of a sick body. Just as cancer or gangrene contaminates the physical body, those elements in a society—if their evil is left to fester—will completely contaminate the rest of society. (5) Finally, the battle confronting Israel was not simply a religious war; it was a theocratic war. Israel was directly ruled by God and the extermination was God’s direct command (cf. Exod. 23:27-30; Deut. 7:3-6; Josh. 8:24-26). No other nation either before or after Israel has been a theocracy. Thus, those commands were unique. Israel as a theocracy was an instrument of judgment in the hands of God. (Norman L. Geisler, A Popular Survey of the Old Testament, Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, 1977, pp. 99-100.)

From : https://bible.org/question/how-c ... emies-even-children

other articles : http://www.gotquestions.org/Canaanites-extermination.html
: http://www.denisonforum.org/fait ... kill-the-canaanites

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-10 18:54:05

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-8 22:23
个人理解，你的一切问题的出发点，是没好好理解圣经，换句话说，甚至连上下文都没有好好看，只是断章取义， ...

你凭什么说你的读法就是对的，我的读法就是错的。神要Abraham杀他的儿子，正常人，稍微有点人性的人都觉得这是血腥残暴的行为。但是你却读出温暖，和爱来自你的神，到底谁没有好好理解圣经？

圣经在出埃及记里面立法怎么去打你的奴隶，这么去贩卖奴隶，请问你哪里的上下文告诉你这些法律都是开玩笑的，请问谁是断章取义？

你所谓对圣经的正确理解不过是你随心所欲对圣经经文加以现代道德观的个人解读，但是一旦你对圣经加以解读而罔顾圣经最直达的意思，你同样赋予了其他人同样的依据。所以，对圣经的解读每个人都有自己的版本。所以，当你对圣经加以自己的观点解读的时候，你同样也赋予了宗教极端分子对圣经随心解读的权利。宗教极端分子手上面的没一滴鲜血你也沾有一份。

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-10 18:57:01

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-8 22:23
个人理解，你的一切问题的出发点，是没好好理解圣经，换句话说，甚至连上下文都没有好好看，只是断章取义， ...

还有，别说什么神救赎这些最愚昧的谎言。你的神用一场洪水杀死了所有婴儿，妇女，老人。你的神会因为甘地单纯的不相信他的存在而把他送进地狱，永世受折磨。这就是你的神，你的神没有资格说爱，没有资格说救赎。

作者: hlgdwken 时间: 2016-8-10 21:42:05

恩典的出处，在于神，那么难道神没有权力使用吗？大洪水这个事件，也是最好的证明，神的能力，祂的真实性，诺亚方舟现在还在土耳其的一个山上，另外在亚伯拉罕的例子中，你实在不知道当时的时间背景，所以你会以不懂得状态去理解，第一，以撒已经33岁，换句话说，在这个年龄的他，如果不出于自愿，没人按的住他，把他献祭给神，另外神并没有让以撒被献祭反而用一只羊来代替，神的救赎和他的公义并不冲突，祂保护受欺压的奴隶们，就如在埃及作奴隶的以色列人，拯救一群奴隶，也预表，拯救现在时代中，被色情，贪婪，憎恨，自私等所捆绑的人，使得只要有愿意相信的人，就得释放，如果在这个世界上，耶稣没有资格救赎人，那么人的结果会是多么悲哀？圣经上说，耶稣就是道路，真理，生命，若不借着祂没人能到父那里去，其实我们活在当下，如同一幅没有画完的画，在没有看到整幅画之前，我们说上帝的残忍和谎言是不公平的，因为我们只看到现在短短几十年所看到的，这仅仅只是这幅画的小小的几笔，就这样下一个结果的定义，其实真的没有智慧，可是神不一样，祂通晓过去现在未来一切事，所以不要用人有限的思想去猜神的做法，那样会让你很苦闷，圣经说，福音本是神的大能，要救一切信的人，神给很多人有很多机会认识祂的慈爱，只是你要不要去体会和感受或对他说话，神是真实，且听人的祷告，祂又是活在现在和永恒，如果你这么质疑神，为什么不问问上帝，让神给你一个满意的回应呢？

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-10 22:02:26

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-10 21:42
恩典的出处，在于神，那么难道神没有权力使用吗？大洪水这个事件，也是最好的证明，神的能力，祂的真实性， ...

你妈生你养你，你妈有权力杀死你么？

到底你的道德水平被腐蚀到了什么程度了？

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-10 22:09:38

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-10 21:42
恩典的出处，在于神，那么难道神没有权力使用吗？大洪水这个事件，也是最好的证明，神的能力，祂的真实性， ...

一，以撒已经33岁，换句话说，在这个年龄的他，如果不出于自愿，没人按的住他

请问你哪里得出这个结论的？还有，哪里说Abraham告诉他儿子要杀死他的事？哪里说出他儿子自愿了？你还能在胡言乱语多少？

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-10 22:10:48

本帖最后由 lzhizhao 于 2016-8-10 22:13 编辑

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-10 21:42
恩典的出处，在于神，那么难道神没有权力使用吗？大洪水这个事件，也是最好的证明，神的能力，祂的真实性， ...

保护受压迫的奴隶，你有读圣经么？圣经上说你可以强奸未成年奴隶的律法你知道么？如果你认为这种行为是保护受压迫的奴隶的话，你还能更没道德么，你的良心和人性被狗吃了？

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-11 15:46:32

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-10 22:10
保护受压迫的奴隶，你有读圣经么？圣经上说你可以强奸未成年奴隶的律法你知道么？如果你认为这种行为是保 ...

圣经上不曾说你可以强奸未成年奴隶的律法。。。你看的应该是可兰经。。。

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-11 20:45:16

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-11 15:46
圣经上不曾说你可以强奸未成年奴隶的律法。。。你看的应该是可兰经。。。 ...

Exodus 21:7-11

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

你知道圣经也有石刑么？
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 - If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and [that], when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: (Read More...)

She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.你猜这是可兰经的那个章节？lol，不好意思，这是圣经的Ezekiel 23:20 NIV

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.这又是可兰经的那个章节？哦，不好意思，这是圣经的Numbers 31:17-18。

作者: hlgdwken 时间: 2016-8-11 20:59:04

你的重点可以更新一点吗？回头看看你的问题又绕回来了，
问题1 妈妈生小孩，可以杀自己的孩子吗？那么需要看的是，这个孩子究竟做了什么，以至于可以让深爱他的母亲去杀他，同样的神也是用一样的心态去看待祂所造的全部人类。神同样爱每一个孩子，只是如果这个孩子，他的作为使得神不得不这样，那么神同样会这么作。为的是守护更多的孩子活在爱的次序里，举例，常常开车的人，可以一直闯红灯吗？如果被警察阻拦，难道是警察没道理，不该抓你对吗？所以我请问你，律法+次序+规条的目的是不是为了更好的帮助人的生活？

问题2以撒33岁这个事情，很多圣经历史中都可以考察，你可以问这个问题，只能说明你没有研究过圣经历史，只是自己用自己的理解去理解圣经，而且极端。整本圣经，千多预言被证实应验四分之三，最后只是剩下了启示的末日，还在逐渐应验中，只能说明一个问题，就是不论你是否接受相信，神终究是神

问题3 旧约历史与现代历史并不一样，旧约历史中的奴隶，在是允许被主人做主的，只是新约圣经，才改变，作奴隶的也是主人的弟兄，神救赎每一位，并不在乎他是否尊贵卑贱，神都怜悯，另外，圣经律法中在现时代，只有2条是最重要的，第一是尽心，尽性，尽意，尽力，爱神，其次是爱人如己，所以，你不能拿一个久远的历史作为一个结论，好像你的道德观是多么的好，其实只要是人，就没有完美的，换句话说都有罪，圣经中的罪，是指不完全或不完美，并不是指人作了什么行为，所以用一个不完全的理智，去看待一个完全的神的作为和决定，

另外我除了圣经并不看其他宗教书，因为都没意义，因为那没办法解决人生命的问题，另外希望你用礼貌回应，而且希望你可以凡事正面，圣经整本中那么多提到爱，可是你从来看不到，只是少少的看到以色列人的历史，就这样说神是不是很狭隘呢？神也同样爱你，你这些问题神都可以亲自答复你的，只需要你对祂说。对祂提问。好啦我们保持联系，祝福你进出凡事顺利~~~

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-12 17:32:19

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-11 20:59
你的重点可以更新一点吗？回头看看你的问题又绕回来了，
问题1 妈妈生小孩，可以杀自己的孩子吗？那么需要 ...

那场洪水杀死了多少婴儿，少年，请问全世界的婴儿做错了什么还要被杀死？

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-12 17:35:34

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-11 20:59
你的重点可以更新一点吗？回头看看你的问题又绕回来了，
问题1 妈妈生小孩，可以杀自己的孩子吗？那么需要 ...

新约没有推翻奴制度。为什么一本自称为道德最高典范的书却允许奴隶制度？

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-12 17:50:04

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-11 20:59
你的重点可以更新一点吗？回头看看你的问题又绕回来了，
问题1 妈妈生小孩，可以杀自己的孩子吗？那么需要 ...

你知道无论以什么名义，无差别杀死绝大部分人类的行为叫做屠杀么？

你知道你是在为屠杀辩护么？你知道为什么我说你的道德被宗教腐蚀了么？

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-16 17:02:41

本帖最后由 asdwan 于 2016-8-16 17:03 编辑

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-11 20:45
Exodus 21:7-11

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six ...

Exodus 21:7-11

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

- no longer a slave, and as a daughter to the owner and wife to the son. So it's not rape.

She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.你猜这是可兰经的那个章节？lol，不好意思，这是圣经的Ezekiel 23:20 NIV

- What do you want to express here ? my question is bible never mentioned you can rape underage slave. Don't go out of topic.

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.这又是可兰经的那个章节？哦，不好意思，这是圣经的Numbers 31:17-18。

- Same here, they are not slaves. What do you want to express ?

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-16 21:49:32

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-16 17:02
Exodus 21:7-11

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six y ...

If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.

你知道什么叫please？

你可以拥有这个人，让着个人做任何你要她做的事情，可以贩卖这个人，这不叫slave什么叫slave？你怎么定义slave的？
还是那句，宗教腐蚀你的道德。

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-17 15:31:12

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-16 21:49
If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.

你知道什 ...

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
7. if a man sell his daughter] as he easily might do, either from actual poverty, or because he was in such circumstances that it would be more advantageous for his daughter to be the concubine of a well-to-do neighbour than to marry a man in her own social position.

maidservant] better, bondwoman (RVm.), or female slave: ‘maid-servant’ has associations which are not at all those of ancient Hebrew society. Here the word (’âmâh) denotes in particular a female slave bought not only to do household work, but also to be her master’s concubine. Cf. the same word in Genesis 21:10 ff. (of Hagar), Jdg 9:18 (of Gideon’s concubine; see Exodus 8:31), Exodus 19:19.

as the male slaves do] v. 2.

7–11. Hebrew female slaves. The law for female slaves is different. A female slave does not receive her freedom at the end of six years (v. 7); still, she cannot be sold to a non-Israelite; and if her master, before actually taking her as his concubine, finds he does not like her she must be redeemed (v. 8). If her master has bought her for his son she must have the usual rights of a daughter (v. 9). If her master take another concubine, she is in no respect to be defrauded of her food, dress, and conjugal rights (v. 10): if these be withheld, her freedom must be given her unconditionally (v. 11). The reason for the different treatment of female slaves is to be found in the fact that a female slave was as a rule (v. 8) her master’s concubine; she stood consequently to her master in a relation which could not suitably be terminated at the end of six years. Concubinage was common among the ancient Hebrews (among the patriarchs, Genesis 16:3; Genesis 22:24; Genesis 30:3; Genesis 30:9; Genesis 36:12; in the time of the Judges, Jdg 8:31; Jdg 9:18; Jdg 19:1 ff.; and among the early kings, 2 Samuel 3:7; 2 Samuel 5:13; 2 Samuel 15:16; 2 Samuel 21:11; 1 Kings 11:3), as it was also among the Babylonians in the age of Ḥammurabi (Code, §§ 144–71[186]), and as it is still in Mohammedan countries (see e.g. Lane, Modern Egyptians, i. 122, 227, 232 f.).

[186] Cf. the interesting case attested by two contemporary contract-tablets (Pinches, OT. in the Light of Ass. and Bab. records and legends, p. 174 f.; Cook, Moses and Ḥamm. p. 113 f.): a man marries his wife’s sister, to become her waiting-maid.

Pulpit Commentary
Verse 7. - If a man sell his daughter to be a maid-servant. Among ancient nations the father' s rights over his children were generally regarded as including the right to sell them for slaves. In civilised nations the right was seldom exercised; but what restrained men was rather a sentiment of pride than any doubt of such sales being proper. Many barbarous nations, like the Thracians (Herod. 5:6), made a regular practice of selling their daughters. Even at Athens there was a time when sales of children had been common (Plut. Vit. Solon. § 13). Existing custom, it is clear, sanctioned such sales among the Hebrews, and what the law now did was to step in and mitigate the evil consequences. (Compare the comment on verse 2.) These were greatest in the case of females. Usually they were bought to be made the concubines, or secondary wives of their masters. If this intention were carried out, then they were to be entitled to their status and maintenance as wives during their lifetime, even though their husband took another (legitimate) wife (ver. 10). If the retention was not carried out, either the man was to marry her to one of his sons (ver. 9), or he was to sell his rights over her altogether with his obligations to another Hebrew; or he was to send her back at once intact to her father' s house, without making any claim on him to refund the purchase-money. These provisos may not have furnished a remedy against all the wrongs of a weak, and, no doubt, an oppressed class; but they were important mitigations of the existing usages, and protected the slave-concubine to a considerable extent.

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-17 17:15:28

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-17 15:31
Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
7. if a man sell his daughter] as he easily might do, eit ...

http://docsouth.unc.edu/church/string/string.html

Thornton Stringfellow
Scriptural and Statistical Views in Favor of Slavery
Richmond, Va.: J. W. Randolph, 1856.
Summary

Stringfellow's Scriptural and Statistical Views in Favor of Slavery is written in two parts. The first part, "Scriptural Views," is a reprint of the tract A Brief Examination of Scripture Testimony on the Institution of Slavery. His four major points in this essay are as follows: 1) Slavery received the sanction of God in the time of the Patriarchs; 2) Slavery is incorporated as a part of the only commonwealth expressly established by God; 3) Slavery is recognized by Jesus Christ as legitimate; and 4) Slavery is full of mercy. In support of these contentions, Stringfellow calls attention especially to Abraham, Jewish Law, and the Pauline epistles in the New Testament. Added to this essay are two shorter essays. The first responds to an attempt by a pro-abolition individual to convince him that scripture condemns slavery. Stringfellow refutes every scripture employed by the abolitionist. The second essay uses the Israelite conquest of Canaan to prove that slavery is legitimated by Mosaic Law.

The second part of this book contains the "Statistical views." This essay uses the census of 1850 to make material claims for the expediency of slavery. Most of his material compares the six New England states with the five old slave states on the Atlantic coast. Using census data, Stringfellow asserts that the southern states are superior in religious life and material life for whites, slaves, and free blacks. The urban life of the northern states suffers in comparison with the agricultural South both in terms of general prosperity and population growth. Stringfellow's conclusion is that despite the fact that the northern states forced the burden of slavery onto their southern neighbors, the southern states have thrived socially and religiously. Stringfellow takes this as evidence that slavery is not a curse, but a blessing.

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-18 16:45:14

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-17 17:15
http://docsouth.unc.edu/church/string/string.html

Thornton Stringfellow

again, out of topic ...
BIBLE did not mentioned you could rape slave.

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-18 20:41:22

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-18 16:45
again, out of topic ...
BIBLE did not mentioned you could rape slave.

well, at lease you admit that bible sanction of slavery.

bible did not say you can't rape your slave right? and slave have to please you. does that include sex?

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-19 08:02:43

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-18 20:41
well, at lease you admit that bible sanction of slavery.

bible did not say you can't rape your sl ...

if you want to have sex with her, you will need to take her as concubine. so she no longer slave.
please refer to post 46#.

yes, we admit that slavery exist, therefore bible set rules to protect the slave. and on the new testament, Jesus are the one who encourage to set the slave free. and His will succeed on the later days in US.

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-19 09:10:14

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 08:02
if you want to have sex with her, you will need to take her as concubine. so she no longer slave.
...

for a under age, that is in the master's control, does she have the capability of making consent?

again, you are not moral and lack of basic knowledge about law.

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-19 09:11:02

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 08:02
if you want to have sex with her, you will need to take her as concubine. so she no longer slave.
...

and, no, not just slavery exist, your god sanstion slavery, you god make law to legalise slavery.

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-19 10:33:33

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-19 09:11
and, no, not just slavery exist, your god sanstion slavery, you god make law to legalise slavery.
...

never in the history not recognizing legalization of slavery existed. i do admit slavery exist even in the olden days. but it is christian movement who set the slavery free.

thanks to Christianity, you no longer a slave , or might be one. i thank god for that.

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-19 10:37:19

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-19 09:10
for a under age, that is in the master's control, does she have the capability of making consent? ...

what do mean under age ? 15 ? 16 ? 12 ?
we chinese also do married in young age during the olden days. under age ?

again, you are out of topic ... rape , bible have abomination of rape ... never in bible mentioned you could rape. we are in the topic of you saying bible mentioning you could rape under age slave . dont get out of topic

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-19 10:49:32

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 10:33
never in the history not recognizing legalization of slavery existed. i do admit slavery exist eve ...

lol, you don't know that it's also the christians that fight to keep slave.

an entire sect of christian move to the south of american so that they can keep slave, these is the orgin of what we call Southern Baptist.
Thornoth stringfellow was one of those christians, he wronge a paper about why according to bible, god allow us to have slaves.
http://docsouth.unc.edu/church/string/string.html

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-19 10:51:01

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 10:37
what do mean under age ? 15 ? 16 ? 12 ?
we chinese also do married in young age during the olden d ...

are you saying that bible's moral standard is not as good as we are today? could not use the same standard we have today to evaluate bible?

great, thank, you just prove that bible is not moral according to today's standard.

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-19 11:25:45

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-19 10:49
lol, you don't know that it's also the christians that fight to keep slave.

but after all , its still the christian movement who set the slavery free.
admit it.
no other religion or even atheist even bother to set the slave free.

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-19 11:29:35

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-19 10:51
are you saying that bible's moral standard is not as good as we are today? could not use the same ...

bible is setting a standard for marriage. not the age.
and who says you couldnt married in young age? moral ? No , its science today that prove having sex on early age might cause alot of problem later on. bring your sense here.

therefore all people during the olden days, married in young age.

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-19 11:30:34

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 11:25
but after all , its still the christian movement who set the slavery free.
admit it.
no other reli ...

just because some christian fight against slavery does it mean that christianity don't endoure slavery?

just because some christian rape children in the church does it mean that chrisitanity endour child rape?

100% of the mafia are christians too. most prisoner in american are christians too if follow your logic, christians are the most horrible people as well.

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-19 11:31:24

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 11:29
bible is setting a standard for marriage. not the age.
and who says you couldnt married in young ...

ok, so bible don't set the standard of age, but the law today do. so bible is not moral anymore today.

and if you think marry to a under age is moral thing to do, great, you again prove that christians are not moral.

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-19 11:34:42

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-19 11:31
ok, so bible don't set the standard of age, but the law today do. so bible is not moral anymore tod ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age

read this ... is the christian who encourage not to marry in early age, where at the same era, no other religion are introducing them.

therefore christian is the most early to response to your moral question.

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-19 11:35:38

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lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-19 11:30
just because some christian fight against slavery does it mean that christianity don't endoure sla ...

so i told you ... all the wrong doing is on people. not the bible... it is the people who misinterpret it
and you mentioned bible say bla bla bla bla..
so if some chinese do fake milk powder , do we say all chinese are fake milk powder maker ?

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-19 13:24:44

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 11:34
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age

read this ... is the christian who encourage not t ...

We were talking about is bible moral, not whether Christian is moral. If Christians think that marry someone under age is not moral, then bible is not moral. Thank you.

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-19 13:30:18

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 11:35
so i told you ... all the wrong doing is on people. not the bible... it is the people who misinterp ...

When someone killing non Christians because bible said that they should kill people in not believe in God, how dear you to said that the wrong doing has nothing to do with bible?

When someone beating their children and quoting bible verse which said you should beat your children, how dear you to say that the wrong doing has nothing to do with the bible?

When Christians owning, selling and beating slave and quoting bible to justify their action. How dear for you to say that the wrong doing has nothing to do with the bible?

When Christians refuse medical help for their children when they are sick, and that's from the bible verse that said if you have faith in God, God will heal all sickness. That lead to the dead of their children, how dear you to say that the wrong doing has nothing to do with bible?

So I told you, all the good things we did is because of our humanity and all the wrong things is done because of the backward religious teaching.

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-19 13:59:36

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-19 13:30
When someone killing non Christians because bible said that they should kill people in not believe ...

When someone killing non Christians because bible said that they should kill people in not believe in God, how dear you to said that the wrong doing has nothing to do with bible?
refer to 31#

When someone beating their children and quoting bible verse which said you should beat your children, how dear you to say that the wrong doing has nothing to do with the bible?
i admit that is on old testament, and i still believe its the best law stated during that era, there are no other law is that compassion that time. new testament, we are teach to love others as loving ourselves.

When Christians owning, selling and beating slave and quoting bible to justify their action. How dear for you to say that the wrong doing has nothing to do with the bible?
beating ??? which verse?
hello !!! wake up ... that is the social revolution. slave EXIST, and bible stated law to protect them.

When Christians refuse medical help for their children when they are sick, and that's from the bible verse that said if you have faith in God, God will heal all sickness. That lead to the dead of their children, how dear you to say that the wrong doing has nothing to do with bible?
you are completely foolish... that is the time when we christian try to take faith a step further, you challenge this for what ?
and what did chinese do in ancient day when they are not rich and sick ? foolish again, to ask this question. only the sick, needs a doctor. and we call our god Jehovah Rapha, He is the doctor. why cant we seek him ?

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-19 14:03:16

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lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-19 13:24
We were talking about is bible moral, not whether Christian is moral. If Christians think that mar ...

who define under age ? you ? science ?

bible never mentioned age for marriage, because God knows this will change in times. therefore Bible never stated age restriction, but how you going to act on marriage.

He knows it all... beginning , now and the future...
AND AGAIN, you are out of topic.... BIBLE NEVER MENTIONED YOU COULD RAPE...

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-22 19:01:32

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asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 13:59
When someone killing non Christians because bible said that they should kill people in not believe ...

You are missing the point here. My question to you is when there atrosities is done in the name of religion, how can you said that your religion have nothing to do with it?

When you said bible have positive influance to people because "bible said so", then how can you said that people do bad thing because "bible said so" has nothing to do with bible?

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-22 19:02:30

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asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 14:03
who define under age ? you ? science ?

bible never mentioned age for marriage, because God knows ...

doesn't matter isn't it? what matter is, now our moral standard is having sex with underage is immoral. which your bible consider is moral. from today's standard, your bible is immoral.
bible did allow child marriage:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/11/14/bible-does-numbers-3118-sanction-pre-pubescent-marriages-child-marriage-2/

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-22 22:35:21

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-22 19:02
doesn't matter isn't it? what matter is, now our moral standard is having sex with underage is immo ...

are you kidding me ? when did the bible stated the age ?

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-22 22:38:39

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-22 19:01
You are missing the point here. My question to you is when there atrosities is done in the name of ...

you totally didnt read #31

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-22 22:46:38

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-22 22:35
are you kidding me ? when did the bible stated the age ?

I think you are kiding me. even bible don't said about child marriage. how can you know that's god's plan or bible is just another makeup holy book that don't know child marriage is not immoral. How long you been brain washed?

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-22 22:49:34

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-22 22:38
you totally didnt read #31

you totally miss the point. when people do horrible things that is commanded by bible, how can you denie the responsibility of bible?

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-23 08:34:40

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-22 22:49
you totally miss the point. when people do horrible things that is commanded by bible, how can you ...

Did i ? read it ...

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-23 08:35:25

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-22 22:46
I think you are kiding me. even bible don't said about child marriage. how can you know that's god ...

child marriage ? which chapter which verse ? any indication of age ?
NO !!!

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-23 20:38:08

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-23 08:34
Did i ? read it ...

don't you? tell me, for those people, if they were not christians would they still committed those crimes?

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-23 20:40:22

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-23 08:35
child marriage ? which chapter which verse ? any indication of age ?
NO !!!

none, because your bible does not have the concept of child marriage yet.

think about this, your bible is very clear on what god don't want use to do, including to the detail of no shell fish. You bible tell you that you will be punish if you eat shell fish but don't say a thing about stopping child marriage. how useful is your bible? what's the different of your bible compare to other holy text?

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-24 08:03:58

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lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-23 20:40
none, because your bible does not have the concept of child marriage yet.

think about this, your ...

yeah, you cant prove that bible mentioned of child marriage .
and now, you are just pissing off about nothing ...

BIBLE never mentioned about you can rape or even about child marriage.
you know nothing about bible

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-24 08:05:09

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-23 20:38
don't you? tell me, for those people, if they were not christians would they still committed those ...

lol... funny ....

chinese kill more people compare to others around the world.

so it means chinese have no moral ?

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-24 20:11:48

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-24 08:03
yeah, you cant prove that bible mentioned of child marriage .
and now, you are just pissing off abo ...

may, bible don't said you can't do drug, bible didn't said that you can't sexcually abuse children too. because at the time bible was writen, they have no fucking idea of this moral standard. which is the same for many other holy text.

which again, prove that bible was not inspire by god, it was writen by a group of people for the purpose of control people.

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-24 20:16:12

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-24 08:05
lol... funny ....

chinese kill more people compare to others around the world.

being a "chinese" does not have moral guideline or specific things you have to do, being a stampt collector don't have moral guideline or things you have to do. therefore, when chinese or stampt collector committed crime, they are not committed because of they are chinese or stampt collector.

but your bible specificly command people to kill people with other faith or no faith; you bible specificly said that if you have faith in god, god will heal sickness which lead to people denie medical help; your bible specificly sanction slavery and tell you how much you should beat your slave; your bible specificly tell you to comdanm homosexcual; and so much more.

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-25 12:11:31

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-24 20:11
may, bible don't said you can't do drug, bible didn't said that you can't sexcually abuse children ...

so you cant prove it.. and now you are talking nonsense because you know you cant prove it .

admit it , bible didnt mentioned you can rape slave. or even child marriage.

作者: asdwan 时间: 2016-8-25 12:16:00

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-24 20:16
being a "chinese" does not have moral guideline or specific things you have to do, being a stampt ...

who set the moral standards again ? no one ...

guidelines of moral ? what the hell is that you are not afraid of god. because you have no fear of doing anything.

only the existence of GOD that may cause people to fear that what he or she does might hurt others. if not, why the hell of being a good person ? because even how good you are, you no longer matters to the world after you dies.

only the existence of GOD, you know you need to follow the standards (so call moral) to be a good person. to please your soul and others.

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-26 17:20:24

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asdwan 发表于 2016-8-25 12:11
so you cant prove it.. and now you are talking nonsense because you know you cant prove it .

adm ...

well, if bible don't said about something, is god allow it or not? can you do it or not? like doing drug, like marry underage?

admit what? admit that your bible have the same moral standard at people at bronze age?

if you want a discussion, saying "admit it" is not how it go. why don't you admit that your bible is as bad as koran? Admit it!Admit it!Admit it!Admit it!Admit it!Admit it! what are you? a bully?

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-26 17:24:37

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-25 12:16
who set the moral standards again ? no one ...

guidelines of moral ? what the hell is that you ar ...

because I don't think he exist?

guidelines of moral ? what the hell is that you are not afraid of Zeus? because you have no fear of doing anything?

moral come from god is just one explain out of many, people don't believe in god don't go out and do whatever because there are consiquence in harming other. 1 people will harm you back or you will go to jeil. my moral is not come from fear of god or hoping reward from god. My moral is come from compression, sympathy and empathy.

作者: yangyoung 时间: 2016-8-27 21:56:05

不知为什么，我登录不上去。我现在是用别人的号，他不是基督徒；你如要回复我，不能用这个号，以免不快。如果想和我联系可以给我发短信： 022 1875055 。我也试图加你的微信，但也加不上。
我和你有同样的信仰。我会去拜访你。

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-8-28 14:54:54

yangyoung 发表于 2016-8-27 21:56
不知为什么，我登录不上去。我现在是用别人的号，他不是基督徒；你如要回复我，不能用这个号，以免不快。 ...

haha,人家是chrisitan apologist，他才不需要你的什么小组。你洗洗睡吧。

作者: hlgdwken 时间: 2016-9-28 20:24:51

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-28 14:54
haha,人家是chrisitan apologist，他才不需要你的什么小组。你洗洗睡吧。

最近很忙，所以没上来看看，你要不要出来见个面啊？或者联系一下我吧？我上来的时间实在不多，最近谢谢你帮我顶贴了。上帝赐福你。

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-9-28 21:47:17

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-9-28 20:24
最近很忙，所以没上来看看，你要不要出来见个面啊？或者联系一下我吧？我上来的时间实在不多，最近谢谢你 ...

maybe not, you are not challange enough.

作者: lzhizhao 时间: 2016-9-28 21:48:06

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-9-28 20:24
最近很忙，所以没上来看看，你要不要出来见个面啊？或者联系一下我吧？我上来的时间实在不多，最近谢谢你 ...

btw, saying god bless you to a atheist is offensive as someone say "allah bless you" to you.

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祈祷ing 可惜不在city 可以什么时候来city组织一次小组吗

作者: hlgdwken 时间: 2016-10-5 20:25:39

小白Q 发表于 2016-9-29 21:08
祈祷ing 可惜不在city 可以什么时候来city组织一次小组吗

你住在city是吗？我们可以尝试去city一起活动，或者接送，如果你时间上方便的话。

作者: 小白Q 时间: 2016-10-5 22:37:35

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-10-5 20:25
你住在city是吗？我们可以尝试去city一起活动，或者接送，如果你时间上方便的话。 ...

对的对的你有微信我来加一下吧

作者: hlgdwken 时间: 2016-10-18 21:21:10

小白Q 发表于 2016-10-5 23:37
对的对的你有微信我来加一下吧

你的微信号是多少？？我的是 zach_crow

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beck@ 发表于 2016-12-8 21:44
请问有北岸的吗？？？？？？？？？？？？？

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希望以后能发展一个在北岸

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