匿名者 发表于 2021-6-9 15:08
你没少帮黑心雇主欺负实习生吧？
匿名者 发表于 2021-6-9 15:08
你没少帮黑心雇主欺负实习生吧？
匿名者 发表于 2021-6-9 15:08
你没少帮黑心雇主欺负实习生吧？
hj_win_1 发表于 2021-6-9 16:05
作为一个会计从业者，这次我不支持你！我个人是从3个月免费实习开始，免费实习的机会也不是我从网上找的， ...
Bob Wang 发表于 2021-6-9 16:10
我不相信咱们这个年纪会不被利益驱使，所以同情归同情，只要楼主给我付$300+GST的小道消息费，我不介意说 ...
巴依老爷 发表于 2021-6-9 15:54
会计这个专业的毕业生现在是比IT毕业生买卖工签更严重的专业
太多人学会计了
毕业根本没工作
hj_win_1 发表于 2021-6-9 16:05
作为一个会计从业者，这次我不支持你！我个人是从3个月免费实习开始，免费实习的机会也不是我从网上找的， ...
yz133 发表于 2021-6-9 16:25
你不要误导了，学习一下新西兰的劳动法吧。别把国内那套想当然放在新西兰的劳动力市场。
实习是有明确的 ...
hj_win_1 发表于 2021-6-9 16:19
没有这3个月的实习期，哪个老板愿意找一个啥都不会的，还要耽误自己做账赚钱的时间发工资去培训。。。 ...
巴依老爷 发表于 2021-6-9 16:53
别说3个月实习
就算有6个月工作经验，甚至2年工作经验，找个会计工作试试？
没戏！
巴依老爷 发表于 2021-6-9 16:53
别说3个月实习
就算有6个月工作经验，甚至2年工作经验，找个会计工作试试？
没戏！
hj_win_1 发表于 2021-6-9 16:05
作为一个会计从业者，这次我不支持你！我个人是从3个月免费实习开始，免费实习的机会也不是我从网上找的， ...
巴依老爷 发表于 2021-6-9 16:53
别说3个月实习
就算有6个月工作经验，甚至2年工作经验，找个会计工作试试？
没戏！
hj_win_1 发表于 2021-6-9 16:05
作为一个会计从业者，这次我不支持你！我个人是从3个月免费实习开始，免费实习的机会也不是我从网上找的， ...
图帝@-@ 发表于 2021-6-9 17:05
說說我親戚的真實經歷吧。
巴依老爷 发表于 2021-6-9 16:53
别说3个月实习
就算有6个月工作经验，甚至2年工作经验，找个会计工作试试？
没戏！
留下足迹 发表于 2021-6-9 16:24
你这个哦，是把那些孩子推向无路可走啊，
要知道作为一个学生，为了寻找生存，难道在这样的经济下是就不会 ...
是个狼灭 发表于 2021-6-9 17:22
隔壁的帖子说的是老板吧，为什么一堆人都在说老师
匿名者 发表于 2021-6-9 16:04
有意思吗？
指桑骂槐的，那点儿小心眼儿瞒谁呀
匿名者 发表于 2021-6-9 17:40
说实话我曾经接触过一些广州中山大学的人 很sb 很废物 虚有其表的文科大学 这种人来新西兰就是浪费钱 还 ...
匿名者 发表于 2021-6-9 17:40
说实话我曾经接触过一些广州中山大学的人 很sb 很废物 虚有其表的文科大学 这种人来新西兰就是浪费钱 还 ...
ilmaro 发表于 2021-6-9 17:35
不应该学会计，那学啥？学西厨？
图帝@-@ 发表于 2021-6-9 17:50
你這樣說會得罪很多人，包括我老婆，不過她是讀理科，哈哈～～
图帝@-@ 发表于 2021-6-9 17:53
我認識一個梅西大學的孩子，早幾年由西厨轉讀會計，因為西厨不再是緊缺行業，而會計是，可以申請移民。 ...
匿名者 发表于 2021-6-9 17:55
你问问你老婆 中大原来的校长 许宁生认识吧？ 现在去了复旦做校长 这2个学校这几年杀人犯频出啊 又是投毒 ...
匿名者 发表于 2021-6-9 17:56
西厨从来都是紧缺 这孩子移民成功了么。。。
hj_win_1 发表于 2021-6-9 16:05
作为一个会计从业者，这次我不支持你！我个人是从3个月免费实习开始，免费实习的机会也不是我从网上找的， ...
图帝@-@ 发表于 2021-6-9 17:59
沒有，我老婆是早期，校長是李岳生，其實奧克蘭也有中大校友會，我老婆從沒有興趣參加。
不過我都覺得我 ...
yz133 发表于 2021-6-9 16:25
你不要误导了，学习一下新西兰的劳动法吧。别把国内那套想当然放在新西兰的劳动力市场。
实习是有明确的 ...
马车会杂工 发表于 2021-6-9 17:26
你一次觉得你说了些中肯的话啊
匿名者 发表于 2021-6-9 17:40
说实话我曾经接触过一些广州中山大学的人 很sb 很废物 虚有其表的文科大学 这种人来新西兰就是浪费钱 还 ...
匿名者 发表于 2021-6-9 17:38
作为非会计专业但以极速移民上岸的人也想插嘴说一句
give and take 这就是新西兰 想以留学生或者工签身份 ...
trdeyoualbert 发表于 2021-6-9 18:08
咋我接触中山大学的两零零二年已经买全新land rover 去越野，全家圣诞节花一万刀出国旅游，看来物以类聚 ...
hj_win_1 发表于 2021-6-9 16:05
作为一个会计从业者，这次我不支持你！我个人是从3个月免费实习开始，免费实习的机会也不是我从网上找的， ...
hj_win_1 发表于 2021-6-9 18:05
看来你不了解我啊，我们需要深入了解一下。。。
261874939 发表于 2021-6-9 18:11
我能插入你的朋友圈吗 我也想开印度路虎壮壮逼。。嘿嘿
yz133 发表于 2021-6-9 16:25
你不要误导了，学习一下新西兰的劳动法吧。别把国内那套想当然放在新西兰的劳动力市场。
实习是有明确的 ...
匿名者 发表于 2021-6-9 18:10
你要知道这个世界上并不是所有人都以“give and take 极速移民上岸”为目的去生活的。别管人家读了多少个 ...
hj_win_1 发表于 2021-6-9 18:04
你确定这是国内这一套？国内才没免费实习这一说，免费实习很kiwi，很新西兰。。。 ...
图帝@-@ 发表于 2021-6-9 17:53
我認識一個梅西大學的孩子，早幾年由西厨轉讀會計，因為西厨不再是緊缺行業，而會計是，可以申請移民。 ...
匿名者 发表于 2021-6-9 18:10
你要知道这个世界上并不是所有人都以“give and take 极速移民上岸”为目的去生活的。别管人家读了多少个 ...
图帝@-@ 发表于 2021-6-9 18:20
其實不妨將眼光放遠一些，不要只局限於紐西蘭，免費實習生為什麼會有它的市場，有買才有賣，每個人的出發 ...
图帝@-@ 发表于 2021-6-9 18:20
其實不妨將眼光放遠一些，不要只局限於紐西蘭，免費實習生為什麼會有它的市場，有買才有賣，每個人的出發 ...
匿名者 发表于 2021-6-9 18:27
没有这些华人老板友善房东这个国家也一样乌烟瘴气 别什么都怪华人 are you a 慕洋犬？
存在即为合理 在 ...
hj_win_1 发表于 2021-6-9 18:04
你确定这是国内这一套？国内才没免费实习这一说，免费实习很kiwi，很新西兰。。。 ...
261874939 发表于 2021-6-9 18:15
哈哈哈哈 大佬 may怀疑你了 而且人家还留意过你。。哈哈哈哈哈
trdeyoualbert 发表于 2021-6-9 18:08
咋我接触中山大学的两零零二年已经买全新land rover 去越野，全家圣诞节花一万刀出国旅游，看来物以类聚 ...
hj_win_1 发表于 2021-6-9 18:05
看来你不了解我啊，我们需要深入了解一下。。。
DDD888 发表于 2021-6-9 18:45
我感觉楼主其实是做生意的，应该在标题上写上广告啦，不然误人啦，哈哈
当然我支持楼主的生意啦，少点人免 ...
匿名者 发表于 2021-6-9 17:44
楼主这是生意不好，又开始装正义人士，出来打软广告了
Domani 发表于 2021-6-9 20:08
我问过楼主好几次，这些帖子里说的讼棍到底是不是楼主，可楼主每次都避重就轻插科打诨，就是不说重点不回 ...
hj_win_1 发表于 2021-6-9 18:05
看来你不了解我啊，我们需要深入了解一下。。。
trdeyoualbert 发表于 2021-6-9 20:12
请科普讼棍是否必须有棍否则不是讼棍
Domani 发表于 2021-6-9 20:19
大会计，它道理说过不你，开始扯动机了，你快回应一下。
之前知道它cheap，但没想到那么下三滥，真是人至 ...
ilmaro 发表于 2021-6-9 17:35
不应该学会计，那学啥？学西厨？
hj_win_1 发表于 2021-6-9 20:53
我只是一个打工的数据搬运工而已……该说的我都说了，人家是学法律的，所有说过的话都可能会成为呈堂证供 ...
Domani 发表于 2021-6-9 20:08
我问过楼主好几次，这些帖子里说的讼棍到底是不是楼主，可楼主每次都避重就轻插科打诨，就是不说重点不回 ...
图帝@-@ 发表于 2021-6-9 17:05
說說我親戚的真實經歷吧。
SirenZ 发表于 2021-6-9 19:57
每次逛求职招聘，关无薪志愿者帖子给我关累了
It’s a common path to employment for young graduates, but being paid in experience doesn’t cover the rent. Sherry Zhang delves into the shady world of unpaid internships.
The intern! Eager, earnest, nervous bright young thing. Are we doomed to grab endless cups of coffee, the boss’s lunch and photocopy till our fingertips turn to nubs? Or tasked to fish the moon out of the sea with only vague instructions, $10 and a broken PDF link?
For many students, graduating into New Zealand’s first recession in a decade means job security is very much on the mind. So we might as well say “yes!” to anything that gives a foot in the door and a competitive edge into the industry.
Internships can be independent, or organised by a tertiary institution as part of course requirements. They can be paid, unpaid, or operate on a koha/gift/bursary format.
But here’s the rub. There’s no easy legal definition of an intern. According to employment lawyer Dr Bill Hodge, “it’s sort of a leftover after our law has defined employees”.
Unlike employees who are entitled to sick leave, domestic violence leave, parental leave, and have minimum wage requirements, there just aren’t many protections in place for unpaid interns.
In the UK, interns have to be paid minimum wage unless it’s part of coursework, they’re working for a charity/voluntary organisation and are receiving limited expenses for food/travel, or are merely shadowing an employer.
But it can be difficult to regulate thegrey area between genuine volunteers and interns who really ought to be paid.
Hodge gives an example: “Thousands of community organisations can only survive on genuine volunteering, such as cancer charity organisations with volunteers on the weekend.” Hodge says these are often retired people, with plenty of time and skills to give and who don’t necessarily need the money. “But if you are inside an organisation that profits, doing core work that produces value, then I’d encourage people to bring a case.”
CHARITY AND GENUINE VOLUNTEERING? (PHOTO: GETTY IMAGES)
Tim* “volunteered” at a software engineering firm in 2018. He found the placement through a programme at the University of Auckland, with the 40 hours over 10 weeks counting as part of his course requirements to graduate.
He says it was strange. “I wasn’t classified as an intern. On paper, it specifically said I was a volunteer.” And so he spent his summer working on projects for contracted clients of the multinational company, including website design and external research.
At the end of it all, he was given some Prezzy cards that averaged out to a payment of $3 per hour. “I recognise it’s shady, but they’re a big company and I really wanted to work for them,” he says. “In engineering, you need 800 hours of practical work. So I was desperate to work to be able to graduate.”
Tim says he knows of students paying for their internships, just to have the name of prestigious programmes on their CV. He says he was lucky to have learned more that summer than he ever had at university. “I was getting valuable experience. But I know other students who’ve slaved away in unpaid internships and didn’t get anything out of it.”
Tim doesn’t think unpaid internships should be banned as he’d hate for it to alienate startup companies who can’t afford interns yet. But he also knows the billion dollar company he worked for could have afforded to pay him. Despite this, he’s still applied for a graduate role with them.
When I relayed Tim’s situation to Hodge, he laughed. “I don’t care that it says volunteer on the contract. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it’s a duck. We’re going to look at the real nature of the work.”
Factors that point to labour exploitation include if the contribution made was essential to the success of the organisation, if the person is reporting to an individual and if it’s structured. There’s more guidance on this on Employment NZ.
But even if Hodge thinks interns like Tim could have a strong case to bring a grievance, most are unlikely to take it further for fear of ruining their reputation. “Employers are able to use the database to search if a person has ever brought a grievance. So when they’re choosing applicants from a pool, they might think ‘this one’s a trouble maker’,” says Hodge.
Unfortunately there isn’t much the law can do, and Hodge laments the shortage of protections for job applicants in general.
Lee* is clerking at a corporate law firm and completed an unpaid internship as part of his law/arts degree. He’s not impressed that unpaid internships are still around. “Unpaid internships entrench privilege – only people with certain means can afford to go on one.”
Someone who can afford to rack up those volunteering hours because of family or partners support is at a very different place to a student from a lower-socioeconomic family who may have caregiver/childcare duties or have to help out with the family business.
These concerns were brought up in discussions four years ago, when a New Zealander interning at the UN in Genevacriticised the programme for favouring those with wealthy parents.
And a few months ago, Auckland District Law Society issued a “plea to employers” on its website: “If you are offering a role, pay your junior staff for the work they do. They have worked incredibly hard through university and profs, most with big student loans and other debts.”
Law is already an elitist profession and unpaid internships offer a chance for the privileged junior lawyers to get ahead, while many newly suited lawyers cannot financially accept a position that is unpaid.
Even if employers don’t budge, some students are still seeking unpaid internships – and working twice as hard to make it work.
Jasmine* is currently interning at her local newspaper as part of her communications course. After working in the public sector for the last few years, she’s decided to make the change. She pays course fees to her tertiary education provider to go into the newsroom two days a week. While she’d love to go more, she still has to work to live.
“Unpaid internships can have that emotional stress,” she says.
Jasmine lost her job when she tried to drop down from 25 hours a week to 15 to make the internship work. “I didn’t say anything to my internship employer. I didn’t want them to feel sorry for me. It’s my choice to prioritise this, and the investment I’m willing to make.”
She was eligible for the jobseeker benefit, and says her accommodation provider has been really understanding. Despite finding it stressful, she says she feels immensely privileged to be able to pay to do what she’s passionate about.
Ideally, she’d like to be in a full-time paid internship. “So your brain isn’t split into three. The internship, your part-time job, and your academic course.”
And while Jasmine loves her job and is in a supportive work environment, she’s concerned that vulnerable students feel they can’t speak up.
“When you’re an unpaid intern, you feel like you are a risk and they are doing you a favour. I don’t want to seem ungrateful. But once you’re paid, you feel like an investment.”
She doesn’t want to see unpaid internships banned outright, but wonders if there can be more incentives for employers to pay interns. After all, being paid in passion isn’t going to cover the rent.
Hodge agrees it isn’t as easy as banning unpaid internships outright. “We’ve made it difficult for employers to employ short term with the 90-day trial rules. Unpaid internships take away some risk for the company.”
When pressed on increased statutory protections, Hodge admits that while unpaid internships can be abusive, there’s no easy solution. “This is a legal issue we’ve been struggling with for 50 years.”
He’s worried that hasty legislation might limit the availability of entry-level positions, and make it even more difficult for someone starting out or wanting to change industries. Hodge maintains there is still good reason for the distinction between employees, volunteers, contractors and office-holders.
It’s lucky Jasmine finds her communications internship useful, as Cameron* walked out of his 24 days in. He was also juggling his part-time job and course work.
“If there was a decent amount of knowledge passed, you don’t need to be paid. Knowledge is more valuable than money,” he says. But he was placed at a startup that was still trying to figure itself out.
It was also a toxic workplace, and Cameron says he was constantly belittled, publicly humiliated by management and assigned tasks out of his scope of knowledge while having to learn obscure software.
“I was stressing myself out and losing so much sleep. Then I realised, I’m not getting paid. I’m trying so hard, doing my best, and they are still constantly complaining. So I thought, if that’s not good enough, then fuck them.”
A particularly tense work meeting was the final straw and he stormed out after being told there were other people who could do a better job than him. He’d already completed the hours required for his course, and says his tutors were understanding.
“My tutors had reservations even before I started. They warned me about companies taking advantage of interns – that we have to stand our ground or they’ll treat us like shit.
“It was stressful, but it taught me where I wanted to head in the future. And the kind of workplace I want to be in.
“It would be dope to be paid,” he adds. “I know we’re students, but we’re also human, and we’ve got to have a source of income.”
Even before Covid-19 threw a spanner in the works, students were anxious about competing for graduate roles. And with companies downsizing, culling internship programmes and just trying to stay afloat, it sometimes feels like there isn’t much choice even if an internship screams “labour exploitation”.
As Nigel says in The Devil Wears Prada, “I can get another girl to take your job in five minutes… one who really wants it.”
THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA: A CLASSIC TALE OF ENTRY-LEVEL JOBS AND EXPLOITATION?
So if the answer isn’t in legislation, are we supposed to rely on the moral compass of companies to provide a living wage to interns? Is that enough of a stop on labour exploitation?
When I tell people I intern at The Spinoff, the most common response I get is:
“Oh cool! Is it paid?”
“Yeah, thank god.”
“Oh shit! That’s actually good then!”
I would never have been able to apply for this role otherwise. It’s a full-time position for six months that’s jointly funded by the Auckland Radio Trust and The Spinoff Members.
I’ve got oodles of passion for writing and journalism, but seeing it manifest into a reality that pays rent in Auckland allowed me to dream a little bigger and braver. My anxious immigrant parents have also finally stopped wishing I was an orthodontist. They now share The Spinoff’s articles on Wechat.
Being paid meant I could throw myself into covering the election, with issues important to my community such as conversion therapy, and the moon cake festival. Sure, I had no idea what to do at my first press stand-up with Judith Collins at a sail-making factory. But the best way to learn is to fake it, so I followed an impeccably dressed journalist from RNZ into the building, frowned my face to appear like a confident political reporter and squeezed in a question.
And beyond all the nitty-gritty technical skills, I learnt what it meant to care, listen and communicate to our communities. All from a team who were so generous with their time and energy.
THE SPINOFF TEAM
Hearing about the lives my colleagues had before and beyond their role taught me what it means to be a good writer and journalist. It’s about living your life by bumping into things and turning over rocks, out there in the world. Not just meeting milestones or making the journeys you think you should.
It’s possible to shift the narrative of interns being a burden to companies. Reframe it as a privilege that someone at the start of their career trusts and respects you enough to help mentor them.
Companies benefit too, as interns bring fresh ideas and perspectives to the workplace. And honestly, the intern is probably wrestling with imposter syndrome, especially if they haven’t really seen faces like theirs in the industry.
So if we really are committed to increasing the diversity in our workrooms, pay the intern something decent. Living wage at least. Because they’ll really want to try their best and give it their all.
And thanks to The Spinoff for all the times you’ve strong-armed me, and for refusing to let me pay for my own beer. I am just the intern, after all.
巴依老爷 发表于 2021-6-9 21:06
而且当前情况最要命的是新西兰政府的政策可能在在打压中小企业，扶持大企业
以后移民政策改变之后，中小 ...
我选择新西兰 发表于 2021-6-9 21:03
我经常代理劳资方面的法律诉讼业务，你爱用什么样的贬义词汇称呼我的身份，那是你的自由，只要你的言论在 ...
图帝@-@ 发表于 2021-6-9 21:10
就是，我朋友的孩子一看就不是讀書的料，炒餐的工作更適合他，唉，枉我幾年前他剛來紐西蘭我還帶他去嫖妓 ...
巴依老爷 发表于 2021-6-9 21:12
”枉我幾年前他剛來紐西蘭我還帶他去嫖妓開開眼界“
我地妈呀，辣眼睛唉～
Domani 发表于 2021-6-9 21:10
不好意思，我这个打黑工的还真的没有这方面的经历。让你失望了
图帝@-@ 发表于 2021-6-9 21:14
我也不是好人，嫖賭飲蕩吹樣樣齊，只是還沒有吸白粉和販毒。
巴依老爷 发表于 2021-6-9 21:19
特别羡慕你们这些讲粤语的
小时候看毛片那些没翻译过来的恨得我牙根痒痒，自己咋就不会广东话嘞，啥也听 ...
我选择新西兰 发表于 2021-6-9 21:15
谢谢你替我做广告！对，我接很多很多劳资纠纷的诉讼案件
首先申明，我对这件事没有任何立场，不去判断谁对谁错。作为一个在本地HR行业工作了四年的人（相当一部分时间就是和律师或者劳资顾问，M姐属于后者，处理各种劳资纠纷），我也聊聊我的看法。在实际处理这些纠纷的过程中，有法律写明非黑即白的部分，比如说是否支付最低工资，也有许多灰色空间可以让有经验的人操作，比如说你因为一次错误而被解雇，理由是否合理。这就给M姐这样的行业有了活动空间以及赚钱的机会。但说到底，这也就是一门生意，这件事的双方谁也不比谁高尚。替劳工维权的并不是正义的化身，楼上那些攻击楼主替橱柜厂老板洗地的大号小号也没必要义愤填膺，毕竟连杀人犯都有请律师辩护的权利，怪就怪这个老板没按程序办事才让M姐这样的人有机可乘。当然，就算走正常程序，只要像M姐这样的人介入了，也能让各位老板伤透脑筋，大公司财大气粗，有专门的HR部门和法律团队和这些人周旋，那些小本经营的小公司就倒霉了，要么破财消灾，要么关门避祸。
再说说我知道的M姐。大概两年前，我在上一家公司跟着当时的HR老大和M姐打过交道，最后的结果是上ERA前和解，M姐和她的客户拿到银子，公司踢走一个老油条（大公司不差钱）皆大欢喜。行业里的一个前辈说M姐最厉害的地方就是善于利用媒体，用舆论的力量给对方施压，达到她的诉求。据说她和本地某华人网站有长期合作。所以各位吃瓜群众，以后见到那个网站上出现劳资纠纷的新闻，新闻里还有对M姐的采访，应该就能知道M姐又接单了。另外她的英文last name也成功唬住了一些英文不好的华人小老板，而她的对手也多半就是这些人，有些因为英文不好，对本地劳资法律不熟，再加上抱着侥幸的心理总想耍些小聪明占点小便宜，当然也有些完全就是欺负新移民雇员不懂英文不懂法律肆意剥削。总之这些有意无意触犯劳动法的人，遇上M姐基本上只能认倒霉。媒体的各种软广加上华人圈里成功案例口口相传，M姐这几年的生意相当红火。再说一个让我挺意外的，M姐不止帮劳工维权，也帮老板摆平闹事的员工，还是那句话，这是一门生意嘛。还是这个前辈告诉我的，去年一个华人builder就是通过她搞定了几个闹事的中国劳工。这些其实都无可厚非，毕竟她是用合法的手段实现自己利益最大化。
说了这么多，无非是想告诉广大吃瓜群众，不要因为一个帖子或者一篇新闻就把哪方安上某种人设，表面上看起来弱势的一方并不一定是真正的弱者。那些替老板说话的也别觉得他委屈，毕竟只要被M姐盯上的，或多或少都是有劳动法方面的问题的，他逃掉了M姐的钱，关公司的时候律师，会计师，清算师的费用也便宜不了，外加对品牌的伤害导致流失的潜在客户，就当他上了一课交点学费。楼主也别不依不饶的，做生意有赚有赔，打官司有输有赢，没必要因为没赚着钱就把别人老底都扒出来，华人圈就这么大。还是那句话，这就是一门生意，谁都是奔着钱去的，谁也不比谁高尚。在商言商，谁也别总想着往道德高地上爬。
巴依老爷 发表于 2021-6-9 21:19
特别羡慕你们这些讲粤语的
小时候看毛片那些没翻译过来的恨得我牙根痒痒，自己咋就不会广东话嘞，啥也听 ...
我选择新西兰 发表于 2021-6-9 21:15
谢谢你替我做广告！对，我接很多很多劳资纠纷的诉讼案件
希望你好好疗伤，有意无意中，May是不是把你伤的 ...
我选择新西兰 发表于 2021-6-9 21:15
谢谢你替我做广告！对，我接很多很多劳资纠纷的诉讼案件
我认为吧，在NZ这个世界，实际上大多数情况是雇主被雇员欺负的。
无量老板是有，但是，还是有很多情况下，是法律要把资本家往死里整的。
这里这个五月姐，很多情况下也是帮助流氓们，撕咬雇主，去分脏的。
-我说的是很多无良雇员的情况下。
-这个没说错的，这样的人和机构，在这样的情况下，就是嗜血的xx一样，扑上去的。
实际上很多雇主哪怕一心想把事情做好，也是稍微不注意，就被雇员咬住的。
甚至，完美的雇主，也要被有理无理的雇员咬一口再说。
咬不咬得到，这边的法律最多也是判雇主无过错，而不会判罚恣意咬人的雇员的。
加上有这些把诉讼当生意，很脏的体系，助纣为虐，雇主们，就更难了。
我经历过，赢了。但是，仲裁员开始前就明确告诉我们，统计概率是走到那个过程，绝大多数雇主是要花Start from 8-12K免灾的。要不，那时候就止住，接受讹诈得了。我继续走呗，凭什么接受讹诈？
当然，我们赢了，这样的所谓仗义者，就没分到钱。
所以可以想到他们的疯狂。
所以，这个就是个生意，还是个比较肮脏的生意。
--有个词，叫做：
讼棍
另外一个case，一人被开，以为发现了什么漏洞，找到这样的五月六月一样的人要告我们。
我们给他分析，抓着了，有证人证据和录像，流程也合规，一开始就完全准备好他来告而走的完美流程，他没戏，别以为那么轻易抓得到流程漏洞。
这人慌了，说这讼棍可是没有给他分析这个的，是说肯定可以给他赚钱的，说大概率只要咬，都咬得出钱的。
然后找这讼棍要取消。
哪里想到，那边不肯，要这个人给钱才肯撤诉。
就耗在那里了。
过些天，这个人找我们，要我们帮他出一半钱，给这些讼棍，他自己出一半，取消。说这样大家都省事，别折腾了，也算最后帮他一把。
然后，就取消了。
所以，他们是根本不是为了什么正义，而是一门肮脏的生意，食腐的鬣狗，制造事端，两头通吃。
另外，给个题目，
讼棍，
棍显然不合适了。
改什么好?
讼?
我选择新西兰 发表于 2021-6-9 21:15
谢谢你替我做广告！对，我接很多很多劳资纠纷的诉讼案件
希望你好好疗伤，有意无意中，May是不是把你伤的 ...
Domani 发表于 2021-6-9 21:28
究竟什么是讼棍呢？或许这位朋友可以给大家一个答案
Domani 发表于 2021-6-9 21:39
嘿嘿，看到你又编辑了一遍，多谢你关心，我会过得好好的。我之前在论坛上看到一些不喜欢的事，本来打算再 ...
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