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作者: jenny1997 时间: 2008-5-19 18:24:38 标题: 每个人都可以为抑制油价出分力！！！
洋人已经有人开始抵制BP 加油站啦。BP一直以来是新西兰油价的领涨者，市场份儿也最大，因此 不管这场抵制活动的发起者是否与其他油公司有关，但如果有更多的新西兰居民参加进来，势必给BP造成压力，发起者希望借此能把油价压到1.50-1。60，估计可能性不大，但这毕竟能改变一些市场的格局，给所有的油公司都敲响警钟，谁想领涨，谁就成为下一个BP。既然政府目前对油价做不了什么，所有居民应该做一点事啦。
涨价可以，但如此的涨法，没道理！！！请大家认真读一下我的帖子，和下面的文章。如果你有更好的办法，请与大家分享，否则，请你我他一起努力。试试看，好吗？难吗？
LET'S JUST DO IT ! ! !
THIS IS NOT THE 'DON'T BUY' PETROL FOR ONE DAY, BUT IT WILL SHOW YOU HOW WE CAN GET PETROL BACK DOWN TO $1.00 PER Litre....hopefully
Thiswas originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. If you are tiredof the gas prices going up AND they will continue to rise this winter,take time to read this PLEASE.
Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea.
This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the 'don't buy petrol on a certain day' campaign that was going around last April or May!
It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!!
We are going to hit $ 2.00 a litre and it might go higher!! Want petrol prices to come down?
Weneed to take some intelligent, united action. The oil companies justlaughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to 'hurt'ourselves by refusing to buy petrol.
It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can Really work. Please read on and join with us!
By now you're probably thinking petrol priced at about $1.50 is cheap.
It is currently $1.93 for regular unleaded.
Nowthat the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us tothink that the cost of a liter of gas is CHEAP at $1.50, we need totake aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control themarketplace...not sellers.
With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action.
Theonly way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hitsomeone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their petrol! And, we cando that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying petrol..
But we CAN have an impact on petrol prices if we all act together to force a price war.
Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY petrol from BP
NZ the biggest price up driver company.
Ifthey are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce theirprices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have tofollow suit.
But to have an impact, we need to reach literallymillions of BP NZ petrol buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don'twimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simpleit is to reach millions of people!!
I am sending this note to 20people. If each of us send it to at least ten more (20 x 10 = 200) ..And those 200 send it to at least ten more (200 x 10 = 2000 ... and soon, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we willhave reached over TWO MILLION consumers.
If those two million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 20 million people will have been contacted!
If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... TWO HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all!
I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you!
Acting together we can make a difference.
Ifthis makes sense to you, please pass this message on THEY LOWER THEIRPRICES TO BELOW THE $1.50 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLYWORK.
Simple – send the message along to other and do not buy petrol from BP NZ.
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[ 本帖最后由 z-score 于 2008-5-29 09:58 编辑 ]
作者: losTsoUl 时间: 2008-5-19 18:47:38
没人希望涨油价，可是原油贵了，也只有消费者身上刮了。。。
哎！
作者: ybbest 时间: 2008-5-19 18:50:08 标题: 回复 #1 jenny1997 的帖子
?
BP?
Work for bp before and I do not think you can do anything about it.
Man,last year they make 3.2 billion dollars renvenue in new zealand alone.You know that they issue fuel card to company or individual who run business,e.g.police can only get gas from BP,some other companies do the same.
Maybe you can be better off by buying a small car or using the public transport.
[ 本帖最后由 ybbest 于 2008-5-19 18:52 编辑 ]
作者: 七彩叶子 时间: 2008-5-19 19:30:08
怎么抵制？？能有用吗？？？？？？？？/
作者: miya 时间: 2008-5-19 21:04:40
油价是根据世界原油价格和新西兰汇率两者所决定的
你单方面的抵制bp的油没有用，人家才不care就算最早最先涨价还是有人去加油
所以还是考虑卖车吧
作者: 菜沫爱泡沫 时间: 2008-5-19 22:16:22
这和BP没关系吧？？是美国控制的整个原油价吧》》？
作者: jenny1997 时间: 2008-5-19 22:37:22 标题: 有什么理由不去试试看呢？？？抵制去BP加油！！！！！
世界原油又是谁操纵的？谁是受益者？
10年前原油每桶8-9美金，今天上升了15倍，实际用量只是10年前的不到1倍。什么员因造成了今天的油价？各种炒作，国际炒作，各国国内的炒作，国际上最主要的是石油巨头们及对冲基金的恶意炒作。结果，世界500强前10位有5个石油公司，而10年前只有1家，销售额也只是现在的30%。不说太多啦，讲这个3个晚上都讲不完。
现在要做的是，大家今后一段时间都不要去BP加油站加油，你可以去任何别的公司的加油站。这么做对你很困难吗？如果没有困难，马上开始吧。有什么理由不去试试呢？为了你，为了我，为了所有的新西兰居民？
新西兰人民要达到什么目的？打压领涨者BP，影响市场格局，抑制涨价，最起码是涨价的速度。
作者: jenny1997 时间: 2008-5-19 22:40:33 标题: 回复 #6 菜沫爱泡沫 的帖子
美国人民希望高油价？还是美国政府喜欢？美国是高油价最大的受害者。
作者: miya 时间: 2008-5-19 22:47:51
原帖由 jenny1997 于 2008-5-19 22:37 发表 
"f8V0n({/p1H$E;Z1A新西兰,新西兰娱乐,新西兰留学,新西兰咨询,新西兰生活10年前原油每桶8-9美金，今天上升了15倍，实际用量只是10年前的不到1倍。
i don't think so
10年前马路上多少汽车，空中多少飞机 现在呢
小学还是中学学的
石油是资源，越用越少
经济上来讲，supply降低，demand上升 价格必然会上升。
作者: 向后看的鱼 时间: 2008-5-19 23:04:46
记得有人说过BP makes 45%+ profit。。。
但汽油是非弹性商品，怎么样都要用。。。。。还是Nissan March 1.0比较实际了。。。。
作者: 花天堂 时间: 2008-5-19 23:10:08
楼主我以前就在车版说要抵制bp, 因为都是他们率先涨价，有人说他们不涨自然有人涨，这种理论让我很无力.
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-19 23:12:43 标题: 回复 #11 花天堂 的帖子
我记得你说过，好像是单位同事一起呼吁。
我感觉其实只要很多的人，我说是很多很多的大家都不去BP, 那肯定有效果。
作者: huanAK 时间: 2008-5-20 00:06:33
原帖由 jenny1997 于 2008-5-19 22:37 发表
世界原油又是谁操纵的？谁是受益者？
10年前原油每桶8-9美金，今天上升了15倍，实际用量只是10年前的不到1倍。什么员因造成了今天的油价？各种炒作，国际炒作，各国国内的炒作，国际上最主要的是石油巨头们及 ...
十年前加油站的时油价是大约 0。83-0.89 /liter。
都10年了，涨一倍多也应该吧.
别忘了现在的石油储藏量才够用40年而以，所以在没找到代替能源之前，油价会无限的涨下去。
我记得以前 可口可乐以前才0。89/瓶呢， 1.5L的，怎么没人抵制可口可乐呢。
[ 本帖最后由 huanAK 于 2008-5-20 15:58 编辑 ]
作者: jennytou 时间: 2008-5-20 00:35:02
从来都不去BP加油的.没油也绕过BP.讨厌它.
作者: miya 时间: 2008-5-20 08:13:37
我朋友有一个开bp的，他说一升油 他们只能赚4c
价格根据总部价格而定
所以 parknsave的油价条还是很有用的
作者: mkcoffee 时间: 2008-5-20 09:45:56
99%加gull 万不得已加shell
作者: 花天堂 时间: 2008-5-20 10:33:58
on the 10th Oct 1911, Dr. Sun established Republic of China, Qing Dynasty finally becomes history.
if you have a will, you will succeed and become next Father of a nation
if you dont have a will, you will just become one of the ants.
The willing power is not good enough, thats why we need to put it into action, how to do it? we start with ourselves, and then our family and then our friends.
none of my family member or friends ever visited BP anymore after I told them to take notice of who always raise the price first.
If some people think if they dont raise the price someone else will, I will rest my case and stop persuading, because we are on different frequency, FM and AM is very different.
I actually took notice of BP raising their price from Cracuum, UOA's student megazine.
作者: dec05 时间: 2008-5-20 10:47:16
你们还忘记一件事情
政府部门都是BP的固定客户，你能阻止个人不去。
可你能阻止政府的车不去吗？而且，政府的用油绝对比我们要来的多
作者: 天空的感觉 时间: 2008-5-20 10:48:04
pointless 。。。。。。你不如搞个投票 看看有多少人会支持
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-20 10:52:30
原帖由 dec05 于 2008-5-20 10:47 发表
你们还忘记一件事情
政府部门都是BP的固定客户，你能阻止个人不去。
可你能阻止政府的车不去吗？而且，政府的用油绝对比我们要来的多
嗯，这种的确不好改变，我们这里也都用BP的油，没办法，政府就认为BP的油最好。
作者: dec05 时间: 2008-5-20 10:54:53 标题: 回复 #20 z-score 的帖子
所以啊，就算全国人民都不用BP的油，他照样有市场
他们不怕啊！
作者: jenny1997 时间: 2008-5-20 11:48:39 标题: 不管你在哪个Frequency， 请大家一起努力！！！
更新到楼帖
[ 本帖最后由 z-score 于 2008-5-20 13:22 编辑 ]
作者: 花天堂 时间: 2008-5-20 13:12:04
原帖由 jenny1997 于 2008-5-20 11:48 发表
涨价可以，但如此的涨法，没道理！！！请大家认真读一下我的帖子，和下面的文章。如果你有更好的办法，请与大家分享，否则，请你我他一起努力。试试看，好吗？难吗？
From: Amanda McCulloch [mailto:remand ...
dude I support you!
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-20 13:18:19
很好,这个idea真得很好，我们skykiwi应该集体感谢什么吧？
作者: 锤子+小刀 时间: 2008-5-20 13:34:08
newmarket那个BP的油给的总不够，听好几个朋友都这么说，所以我已经5年没有去过任何一家BP了。
个人偏爱SHELL,还可以用FLYBUY
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-20 13:36:16
原帖由 锤子+小刀 于 2008-5-20 13:34 发表
newmarket那个BP的油给的总不够，听好几个朋友都这么说，所以我已经5年没有去过任何一家BP了。
个人偏爱SHELL,还可以用FLYBUY
嗯,很多加油站分量不足.
作者: Jackpot 时间: 2008-5-20 13:40:50
原帖由 向后看的鱼 于 2008-5-19 23:04 发表
记得有人说过BP makes 45%+ profit。。。
但汽油是非弹性商品，怎么样都要用。。。。。还是Nissan March 1.0比较实际了。。。。
作者: 锤子+小刀 时间: 2008-5-20 13:42:47
正常分析一下，加油站汽油的利润一样的，超市利润也差不多，开在newmarket，租金物业费肯定比郊区贵，不偷点油他赚什么钱。
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-20 13:47:51
原帖由 锤子+小刀 于 2008-5-20 13:42 发表
正常分析一下，加油站汽油的利润一样的，超市利润也差不多，开在newmarket，租金物业费肯定比郊区贵，不偷点油他赚什么钱。
这样做生意太坑人了, 他们地段贵, 不过来的客户普篇比较有钱, 他们可以多卖点咖啡什么的.
作者: 锤子+小刀 时间: 2008-5-20 14:03:45 标题: 回复 #29 z-score 的帖子
或者咖啡贵1，2刀都可以，在那里加的起油的当然也买得起。
作者: jenny1997 时间: 2008-5-20 15:09:21 标题: 回复 #13 huanAK 的帖子
请问你家的车是用原油的吗？请认真看我的帖子。你别乱说，欢欢。
我做了20年的石化国际贸易生意，这点事情还能记得。还不信，
请看中国贸促会的介绍：www.tdb.org.cn/interMarket/15478.html - 30k
我希望这个话题的讨论争论就此打住，让我们共同努力，做点实事。多页。
作者: ybbest 时间: 2008-5-20 19:53:46 标题: 回复 #10 向后看的鱼 的帖子
It is not the gas , it is about their food,grocery.
作者: ybbest 时间: 2008-5-20 19:55:38 标题: 回复 #25 锤子+小刀 的帖子
Really , but the bp is xxxing busy.............................
作者: Lilac 时间: 2008-5-20 20:37:41
本来就不用它家的，不到万不得已的地步都尽量去shell。。。
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-20 20:42:20
原帖由 huanAK 于 2008-5-20 00:06 发表
十年前加油站的时油价是大约 0。83-0.89 /liter。
都10年了，涨一倍多也应该吧.
别忘了现在的石油储藏量才够用40年而以，所以在没找到代替能源之前，油价会无限的涨下去。
我记得以前 可口可乐 ...
我抵制coke.
作者: 有时跳舞 时间: 2008-5-20 20:54:03
原帖由 z-score 于 2008-5-20 10:52 发表
嗯，这种的确不好改变，我们这里也都用BP的油，没办法，政府就认为BP的油最好。
BP是British Petroleum
这里的人对英国的东西还是有感情的，
同等条件下，政府用BP的油，民众更容易接受（我的祖父，祖祖父，祖祖祖父……是英国人，祖上也曾经阔过）
作者: huanAK 时间: 2008-5-20 22:47:05
I am sorry， I think you miss my point。 作为一个顾客，我在乎的是汽油零售价，而不是出原油的批发价，就如我说的，十年前的汽油零售价是83-89cents/L，十年后的今天才涨了两倍多一点点，你看看看其他产品，比如房子，木材，食物，等等，包括最简单的 可口可乐都涨了两倍，何况珍贵的石油呢。
对不起，不该波你冷水的，我想说的是，市场不需要解释的，存在就有它的道理，我们改变不了，只能去适应它，或者改变我们自己。 当然每个人的方式都不同，更多的人只能去适应了，也有人学着去改变自己，改变驾车习惯，或者开跟省油的车。
作者: 锤子+小刀 时间: 2008-5-20 23:49:32
我抵制一切碳酸饮料！！
作者: sunmarty 时间: 2008-5-21 08:43:01
not gonna help a lot....BP only with the market price..nothing they can do..not BP..will be Mobile..SHELL.....because they all want to get the right market price...!!
作者: dizzylizzy 时间: 2008-5-21 10:08:24 标题: Fuel Prices - do not buy petrol from BP NZ.
同事发给我的邮件:
LET'S JUST DO IT ! ! !
THIS IS NOT THE 'DON'T BUY' PETROL FOR ONE DAY, BUT IT WILL SHOW YOU HOW WE CAN GET PETROL BACK DOWN TO $1.00 PER Litre....hopefully
This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. If you are tired of the gas prices going up AND they will continue to rise this winter, take time to read this PLEASE.
Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea.
This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the 'don't buy petrol on a certain day' campaign that was going around last April or May!
It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!!
We are going to hit $ 2.00 a litre and it might go higher!! Want petrol prices to come down?
We need to take some intelligent, united action. The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to 'hurt' ourselves by refusing to buy petrol.
It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can Really work. Please read on and join with us!
By now you're probably thinking petrol priced at about $1.50 is cheap.
It is currently $1.90 for regular unleaded.
Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a liter of gas is CHEAP at $1.50, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace...not sellers.
With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action.
The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their petrol! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying petrol.
But we CAN have an impact on petrol prices if we all act together to force a price war.
Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY petrol from BP
NZ the biggest price up driver company.
If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.
But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of BP NZ petrol buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I am sending this note to 20 people. If each of us s end it to at least ten more (20 x 10 = 200) .. And those 200 send it to at least ten more (200 x 10 = 2000 ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over TWO MILLION consumers.
If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 20 million people will have been contacted!
If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... TWO HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all!
I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you!
Acting together we can make a difference.
If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO BELOW THE $1.50 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
Simple - send the message along to other and do not buy petrol from BP NZ.
作者: xiaolu 时间: 2008-5-21 14:17:31
理论不错……不过……貌似NZ所有的油都是BP的……？
作者: sushuo 时间: 2008-5-21 16:26:41 标题: To Reduce Petrol Price
Hi,
Are ever increasing Petrol prices driving you mad?
Last time we filled up a 70litre tank it cost 1.91c/litre or over $130-00.
Is the price of petrol impacting your pocket?
Do you want a good way to reduce petrol prices?
We CAN have an impact on petrol prices if we all act together to force a price war.
Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY petrol from BP
NZ the biggest price up driver company. They are usually the first to increase prices.
If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.
But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of BP NZ petrol buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I am sending this note to 20 people. If each of us send it to at least ten more (20 x 10 = 200) .... And those 200 send it to at least ten more (200 x 10 = 2000 ..... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over TWO MILLION consumers.
If those two million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 20 million people will have been contacted! Perhaps noone in NZ would be using BP
Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people and stay away from BP. That's all! The power of One person acting.
I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you!
Acting together we can make a difference.
If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on
Simple � send the message along to others and do not buy petrol from BP NZ.
Kind regards
Dave (and Nikki) Stanton
Aoraki Cottage @ Wellspring Farm
In the heart of the South Island, NZ
作者: Garywind 时间: 2008-5-24 00:06:20
原帖由 huanAK 于 2008-5-19 22:47 发表
I am sorry， I think you miss my point。 作为一个顾客，我在乎的是汽油零售价，而不是出原油的批发价，就如我说的，十年前的汽油零售价是83-89cents/L，十年后的今天才涨了两倍多一点点，你看看看其他 ...
有什么好sorry的，楼主大人，别人有不同的意见还不能说了么，20多年的石油贸易经验还用得着在这里呼吁抵制BP加油站这种Making no sense 的事情。在零售价都是由批发价决定的。国际汽油的批发价又是由原油价格和精炼场生产能力等因素影响的， 这种东西不是一个，两个公司能决定的，是整个市场的交易结果。现在的批发油价涨是主要供应的紧张（价格越是涨，卖油的就越是收缩），以及几个主要需求的快速增长，中国印度就是主要增长点，不用说那些传统的用油大户，夸张一点现在已经到了到处抢油的地步。全场现在都是看涨，挡都挡不住，原油130一桶都不能说是贵了，市场决定了这就是价钱。
零售层面上，加油站进的油都是汽油批发的价钱，margin基本都是差不多的，该涨得时候都得涨，挺不了太久，还有谁能比别的加油站拿油便宜么。抵制bp的零售站点根本没有意义。
说的不对的地方，大家指正。
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作者: Garywind 时间: 2008-5-24 00:20:01
顺便再啰嗦一句, 在国际市场上，bp和这几个主要的石油公司赚钱也不是没有理由的。他们花大把钱在硬件上（到处刨坑，建精炼站，油管），油价高低他们都是赚钱的，就是多少的问题。
指望世界油价降回几年前的水平已经很难了，短期上的确有些炒作的成分，问题是大把得闲钱流进来，都是看涨不是没有道理（专业投资者的智商都不低）。前面的朋友说得很对，这种东西不是大米，年年能种，是越来越少，价格上升是挡不住的。
现在油价节节涨说白了就是-- 这就是21世纪。 每个人都有开v8的时代已经过去了，准备好开电池车，或者地铁等公共交通工具， get used to it mate. 
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作者: 胡思≮乱想 时间: 2008-5-24 02:16:41
怎么不怪美国到处打仗消耗原油储备呢..
我早就觉得BP涨最快但是其他家也是马上follow,,记得前一阵听newstalkZB就讨论过 要加油站公开他们的涨价计划 比如在涨到20006前他们应该提前公开报告 油价下周要涨 为什么要涨
blahblah之类的...洋人们也觉的忽然就涨也很无奈吧
BTW 我从来就去shell加油 bp万不得已才去..
我也不喝coke.....
作者: 走路的石头 时间: 2008-5-24 15:21:21
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作者: ilanjack 时间: 2008-5-24 15:33:19
從改變駕車習慣開始吧。油門能輕踩則輕踩，能不怠速就不怠速。還有換台小車吧，這兩點會比較實際點。希望不要到最後連小車都開不起，換成摩托車跟腳踏車了…
作者: AndrewAUT 时间: 2008-5-24 16:20:53
原帖由 走路的石头 于 2008-5-24 15:21 发表
bp 又贵， 跑得公里数又少！！！
这是我们当初送披萨的时候总结出来的！
所以我们知道的送过披萨的没有一个用bp!
这个绝对同意，我原来也送了2年的PIZZA。
BP的油的确有问题，跑的公里数少。
所以一直都是用的CALTAX的
作者: 麻皮小蘑菇 时间: 2008-5-24 16:23:45
原帖由 向后看的鱼 于 2008-5-19 23:04 发表
记得有人说过BP makes 45%+ profit。。。
但汽油是非弹性商品，怎么样都要用。。。。。还是Nissan March 1.0比较实际了。。。。
这不是在说我的车吗..........
作者: machreeblue 时间: 2008-5-25 11:20:26
现在countdown woolworth foodtown搞活动，买 40送 4 cent的discount voucher， 买80送10 cent的， 买150送 15cent的。只限在shell加油，一张15cent的优惠券可以在加满油箱的基础上，1.8 L的车，加40升可以省去6块多。
一次可能觉得无所谓，架不住累积。。。
所以还是一如既往的加shell。不仅仅是因为油的质量还因为有full service。
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作者: 果凍☆布丁 时间: 2008-5-25 18:53:40
原帖由 machreeblue 于 2008-5-25 11:20 发表
现在countdown woolworth foodtown搞活动，买 40送 4 cent的discount voucher， 买80送10 cent的， 买150送 15cent的。只限在shell加油，一张15cent的优惠券可以在加满油箱的基础上，1.8 L的车，加40升可以省去 ...
pak n save也有類似的活動了。。
作者: sunmarty 时间: 2008-5-26 08:33:08
some are using SHELL
作者: 古灵精怪 时间: 2008-5-27 19:37:44
很久不去BP了。没油也要绕过BP。
一般都去SHELL或是GULL。早就发现BP是最快涨价的一个。
我是平民，没有那么多钱，所以只能找便宜的油加。
作者: Luffy 时间: 2008-5-27 21:02:53
it's not gonna work
作者: 发条橙 时间: 2008-5-28 16:34:55
naive naive naive
作者: 太公望 时间: 2008-5-28 17:01:40
很为难， 因为我策划的产品是省油的， 油价越高越好卖。
作者: Alpha 时间: 2008-5-28 22:31:59
个人觉得, 面对油价的上涨, 任何举动都是无力的, 也许油价会小范围回落, 但是无法阻挡持续上涨的大趋势.
唯一能做的, 比较现实的,就是换省油的车, 但是最重要的, 就是多赚钱, 让自己的财富增长的比油价快, 虽然这很难, 但是我敢肯定, 即使油价涨到$3, 大街上的车也不会少, 而且大排量的好车, 新车会越来越多.
作者: sushuo 时间: 2008-5-28 23:12:24
为啥我之前发的一样的帖子被删了，这个却被高亮了呢？
作者: 太公望 时间: 2008-5-29 09:16:33
我对这个ideal抱有不同的观点， 从大体上看， 石油是一个有限的资源， 人类应该学会如何减少对他的依赖，并且保护大自然。 从这个成面上看，如果石油涨价能够让大家减少对石油的消耗，对地球是一件好事，对人类也是好事。 如果汽油降到1分钱一升， 大家都高兴啦， 但是不久你就会发现有钱都买不到石油。 所以节省用油，开发新能源，才是有智慧的长远之计。
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-29 09:19:03 标题: 回复 #59 太公望 的帖子
你好久没来了。
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-29 09:34:50
原帖由 太公望 于 2008-5-29 09:16 发表
我对这个ideal抱有不同的观点， 从大体上看， 石油是一个有限的资源， 人类应该学会如何减少对他的依赖，并且保护大自然。 从这个成面上看，如果石油涨价能够让大家减少对石油的消耗，对地球是一件好事，对人类 ...
其实说实在的，谁都知道人类要开发新资源，不能依赖石油。美国人更知道减少对中东国家的依赖。但是，贫民百姓是研究不了新型汽车的，当科学家们研究出来之前，我们必须要增加产量降低油价，这样我们才能让汽油尽快地用完，让科学家们尽快研究出来新型汽车。
作者: 花天堂 时间: 2008-5-29 09:49:52
原帖由 z-score 于 2008-5-29 09:34 发表
其实说实在的，谁都知道人类要开发新资源，不能依赖石油。美国人更知道减少对中东国家的依赖。但是，贫民百姓是研究不了新型汽车的，当科学家们研究出来之前，我们必须要增加产量降低油价，这样我们才能让汽 ...
some of you might remember there are numerous attempts by scientist to come up with a car that doesnt use petrol/diesel, or any of the petroleum product.
I remember a famous case was back in 1998, a UK scientist announced he has finalised his design for a car that runs on water but a week later he was killed in a car accident.
I think there is too much money involved in the Petroleum industry, they cant afford to have a car that runs on water or renewable technology. What will happen to these companys investment if there is a car that doesnt rely on the petrol/diesel they sell??
Dont tell me I am dreaming, because I can tell you one good example.
Bell Telephone had the right of the telephone 30 years before they put it into production, why didnt they release it for the greater good? well, there is no greater good, only greater profit, if they release the technology earlier, others will copy it and their profit will drop.
作者: taomibaobao 时间: 2008-5-29 09:54:39
我也支持抵制bp.
我不懂什么 经济原理， 我只知道bp是最快涨价， bp的有开的公里数最低。。
简单如此。。。。
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-29 09:56:44
原帖由 花天堂 于 2008-5-29 09:49 发表
some of you might remember there are numerous attempts by scientist to come up with a car that doesnt use petrol/diesel, or any of the petroleum product.I remember a famous case was back in 1 ...
Hey actually, that's a really good point. I think I'm still too naive.
作者: 花天堂 时间: 2008-5-29 09:56:52
原帖由 taomibaobao 于 2008-5-29 09:54 发表
我也支持抵制bp.
我不懂什么 经济原理， 我只知道bp是最快涨价， bp的有开的公里数最低。。
简单如此。。。。
yeah, FXck them
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-29 09:57:36
原帖由 taomibaobao 于 2008-5-29 09:54 发表
我也支持抵制bp.
我不懂什么 经济原理， 我只知道bp是最快涨价， bp的有开的公里数最低。。
简单如此。。。。
BP开的最低吗？我都是加98的，BP98的油是不是还不如Shell的95？
作者: 花天堂 时间: 2008-5-29 10:00:12
原帖由 z-score 于 2008-5-29 09:56 发表
Hey actually, that's a really good point. I think I'm still too naive.
there are theories and events that suggest what we call crude oil MAYBE something that mother Earth is replenishing itself. but its widely rejected by scientist.
I remember reading a case in Brazil, one of the well they were drilling was running dry/low, so they moved onto next one, sometime later they came back and discover the well is now full again.
作者: 花天堂 时间: 2008-5-29 10:00:54
原帖由 z-score 于 2008-5-29 09:57 发表
BP开的最低吗？我都是加98的，BP98的油是不是还不如Shell的95？
BP98? bloody rich boy.
作者: taomibaobao 时间: 2008-5-29 10:07:24
我的意思是说， 同样品质加同样重量的油， 开同样的路， 我觉得bp的油最不耐烧，跑得公里数满缸可以比gull或者shell的少几十公里。。。。
这是我的个人感觉。。前面几个人也应证了我的感觉。。而且不同油站也有不一样。。我个人最喜欢gull..不过离家远。。。。。。
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-29 10:08:17
原帖由 花天堂 于 2008-5-29 10:00 发表
there are theories and events that suggest what we call crude oil MAYBE something that mother Earth is replenishing itself. but its widely rejected by scientist. I remember reading a case in ...
世界上的石油好像是还能用上40年吗不是？
作者: 花天堂 时间: 2008-5-29 10:09:32
原帖由 z-score 于 2008-5-29 10:08 发表
世界上的石油好像是还能用上40年吗不是？
well, back in 1990, they said 20 years.
I have books to certify this.
remember back then China and India doesnt require as much petrol/diesel as now.
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-29 10:11:18
原帖由 花天堂 于 2008-5-29 10:09 发表
well, back in 1990, they said 20 years.
I have books to certify this.
remember back then China and India doesnt require as much petrol/diesel as now.
En, true true. So what will the oil companies do when crude oil eventually run out?
作者: 花天堂 时间: 2008-5-29 10:22:05
I think the question is ... will it run out?
and if they run out, these companies probably have new technology already developed and locked up in their vault... once the petrol runs out, they will release the new technology, and you will have to pay to use them.
haha
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作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-29 10:30:34
原帖由 花天堂 于 2008-5-29 10:22 发表
I think the question is ... will it run out?
and if they run out, these companies probably have new technology already developed and locked up in their vault... once the petrol runs out, they ...
Yeah, I get your point now, the big oil corporates probably drive on battery cells already.
作者: taomibaobao 时间: 2008-5-29 10:44:23
我有个学地质的朋友说， 理论上地球的石油对于人类来说是用不完的。。。不过能不能探测到跟能不能开采是个技术问题。。。
作者: huanAK 时间: 2008-5-29 10:47:36
well, back in 1990, they said 20 years.
I have books to certify this.
remember back then China and India doesnt require as much petrol/diesel as now.
I think, long time ago they didn't count for oil sand in canada or other difficult oil field.
Today they pay for any price to exract those oil and discovery new field from deeper sea.
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-29 10:48:04 标题: 回复 #75 taomibaobao 的帖子
能不能再多讲一讲，有兴趣
作者: taomibaobao 时间: 2008-5-29 10:57:54
原帖由 z-score 于 2008-5-29 10:48 发表
能不能再多讲一讲，有兴趣
对不起啊， 我也所知有限。。。听他说， 其实地底下面埋下来的资源是多得用不完的。。关键是能不能找到能不能开采的问题。。
陆地才占地球表面的一小部分， 大部分都是海洋。我们现在连陆地表面下面的石油还没有探清楚，所以不要说海洋了。。如果是版块移动的话， 搞不好海洋地下埋下的资源更多。
不过话又说回来， 就算是石油明天就没有了。。。现在已经开始用食物来炼油了不是吗。。。不用说其他各种各样的能源了。。。
我觉得只要太阳不远离地球，能源问题不用太担心。。。当然也不能浪费就是了。。。
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-29 11:04:54
原帖由 taomibaobao 于 2008-5-29 10:57 发表
对不起啊， 我也所知有限。。。听他说， 其实地底下面埋下来的资源是多得用不完的。。关键是能不能找到能不能开采的问题。。
陆地才占地球表面的一小部分， 大部分都是海洋。我们现在连陆地表面下面的石 ...
你一说这个我想到了，多少人相信在现在的人类前还有过其它的人类文明。
作者: 花天堂 时间: 2008-5-29 11:11:26
原帖由 z-score 于 2008-5-29 11:04 发表
你一说这个我想到了，多少人相信在现在的人类前还有过其它的人类文明。
of course.
Earth is 4.5 billion years old.
I am sure there are other civilisation before us.
作者: 花天堂 时间: 2008-5-29 11:13:03
原帖由 z-score 于 2008-5-29 11:04 发表
你一说这个我想到了，多少人相信在现在的人类前还有过其它的人类文明。
you know that Chinese Myth, Nv Wa bu tian... the goddess used something from earth and repaired a hole in the sky..
sounds like exactly what we try to do today.
作者: taomibaobao 时间: 2008-5-29 11:14:53
原帖由 z-score 于 2008-5-29 11:04 发表
你一说这个我想到了，多少人相信在现在的人类前还有过其它的人类文明。
我相信以前有过别的文明。。是不是像我们一个样子的人类。。我就保留一些。。
不然不能解释考古上的发现还有地球以前的空白期
作者: taomibaobao 时间: 2008-5-29 11:16:13
还有圣经。。。。启示录的经文看起来是核爆的情景
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-29 11:18:56
原帖由 花天堂 于 2008-5-29 11:11 发表
of course.
Earth is 4.5 billion years old.
I am sure there are other civilisation before us.
Do you think there are things from the previous civilisations left in the present day?
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-29 11:19:32
原帖由 花天堂 于 2008-5-29 11:13 发表
you know that Chinese Myth, Nv Wa bu tian... the goddess used something from earth and repaired a hole in the sky..
sounds like exactly what we try to do today.
Good point. Do you think there were humans like us before?
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-29 11:22:43
原帖由 taomibaobao 于 2008-5-29 11:16 发表
还有圣经。。。。启示录的经文看起来是核爆的情景
让你们两个人说得好恐怖，不过说得很对，很有道理。
作者: taomibaobao 时间: 2008-5-29 11:25:01
其实我一直怀疑我们说的外星人就是不是以前的人类。。。。
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-29 11:33:34
原帖由 taomibaobao 于 2008-5-29 11:25 发表
其实我一直怀疑我们说的外星人就是不是以前的人类。。。。
哈哈，有可能，用UFO回来supervise我们一下。
作者: taomibaobao 时间: 2008-5-29 11:36:32
原帖由 z-score 于 2008-5-29 11:33 发表
哈哈，有可能，用UFO回来supervise我们一下。
我怀疑他们外星探索回来地球， 发觉地球人已经换了我们这一代了。。。是这种情景
可能我 倪匡的书看太多了。。。
作者: 花天堂 时间: 2008-5-29 11:38:49
原帖由 taomibaobao 于 2008-5-29 11:36 发表
我怀疑他们外星探索回来地球， 发觉地球人已经换了我们这一代了。。。是这种情景
可能我 倪匡的书看太多了。。。
personally
I think we ARE the alien that took over....
we are the only species on Earth that will kill each other in mass scale.
no other animal will do this.
作者: cici881 时间: 2008-5-29 11:40:05
hope it works la
作者: taomibaobao 时间: 2008-5-29 11:44:57
原帖由 花天堂 于 2008-5-29 11:38 发表
personally
I think we ARE the alien that took over....
we are the only species on Earth that will kill each other in mass scale.
no other animal will do this.
倪匡的理论是。。。如果有外星人， 对我们科技不发达的生物一定是友善的。。。为什么呢？
因为如果科技发达到他们这种地步可以星际旅行，却还没有被自己的科技毁灭自己的话， 说明一定是热爱和平， 从不打仗。
不然，像我们，科技越发展越快， 毁灭自己的危机越大。我们可能还没有可以到月球旅游的一天， 就自我毁灭掉了。。。
所以， 担心外星人会侵略地球是 多余的。。。是以小人之心度君子之腹。。。
话又说回来， 如果外星人真的要侵略地球， 以他们的科技， 地球人也是以卵击石， 无法抵抗的。。。所以担心也是多余。
以上都是他的意见， 我觉得很对。。。
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作者: 太公望 时间: 2008-5-29 17:54:55
原帖由 z-score 于 2008-5-29 09:34 发表
其实说实在的，谁都知道人类要开发新资源，不能依赖石油。美国人更知道减少对中东国家的依赖。但是，贫民百姓是研究不了新型汽车的，当科学家们研究出来之前，我们必须要增加产量降低油价，这样我们才能让汽 ...
haha 你还是那么活跃亚， 我最近工作忙，还是经常会来看看但就是没时间留言。你马上就过生日拉吧？
为什么我持不同观点，其一我就是要表达油价涨价导致大家少开车，减少污染，多走路运动，对人类是件好事。
我们不需要研究发明什么东西，我们也弄不了，就想你所说的。 但是平时去便利店买东西，或者去foodtown什么的我们其实可以步行， 一个调查结果显示，
Research in Britain has found that a quarter of all car journeys are less than three kilometres. Cycling or walking to the shops can make a big difference in the amount of carbon dioxide you are responsible for putting into the atmosphere.
Short journeys have more impact on the environment for each kilometre because fuel consumption and emissions are higher during a car’s warm-up period. Your car also pollutes more in the warm-up period because its catalytic converter, which reduces nitrogen oxide and particulate matter emissions, doesn’t work effectively until it heats up. （http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=37486&s_cid=drivers_seat）
然后，我们再来看这个ideal， 如果说真的大家能够团结起来哪怕是一个礼拜不买bp的油，他保证要降价， 但问题是大家能不能够行动起来。
我个人认为不会， 原因不止一个， 但是最根本的原因是这个价格还没有达到一个让所有人都无法接受非要行动不可的地步。 就像水它没有到那个沸点它就开不了。 其实这个email传拉已经有一年多拉。 可能不少人看到拉，他们可能也转发拉，但是回过头他们还是区ｂｐ加油。
其三， 它存在它既合理， 市场就是这样的， 况且石油是现在人们必须用道的并且被少数公司掌握的有限的资源， 我觉得这个价格是合理的。
作者: z-score 时间: 2008-5-29 20:28:37 标题: 回复 #93 太公望 的帖子
你也太厉害了吧，我哪天生日都记住了，对了，我刚换手机，联系人没有全部转移过来，方便的话再给我留一下你的手机吧。
作者: 钢崩儿nz 时间: 2008-5-29 23:15:28 标题: 关于油价，这样做不知道可不可以
经常潜水，偶也发个帖子。今天上班收到客户的Email，还蛮有意思的~给大家分享，咱的马儿比咱吃的一天比一天多，想想对策吧~
LET'S JUST DO IT ! ! !
THIS IS NOT THE 'DON'T BUY' PETROL FOR ONE DAY, BUT IT WILL SHOW YOU HOW WE CAN GET PETROL BACK DOWN TO $1.00 PER Litre....hopefully
This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. If you are tired of the gas prices going up AND they will continue to rise this winter, take time to read this PLEASE.
Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea.
This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the 'don't buy petrol on a certain day' campaign that was going around last April or May!
It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!!
We are going to hit $ 2.00 a litre and it might go higher!! Want petrol prices to come down?
We need to take some intelligent, united action. The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to 'hurt' ourselves by refusing to buy petrol.
It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can Really work. Please read on and join with us!
By now you're probably thinking petrol priced at about $1.50 is cheap.
It is currently $1.90 for regular unleaded.
Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a liter of gas is CHEAP at $1.50, we need to take aggressive action to
teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace...not sellers.
With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action.
The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their petrol! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying petrol.
But we CAN have an impact on petrol prices if we all act together to force a price war.
Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY petrol from BP
NZ the biggest price up driver company.
If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.
But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of BP
NZ petrol buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I am sending this note to 20 people. If each of us s end it to at least ten more (20 x 10 = 200) .. And those 200 send it to at least ten more (200 x 10 = 2000 ... And so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over TWO MILLION consumers.
If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 20 million people will have been contacted!
If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... TWO HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all!
I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you!
Acting together we can make a difference.
If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO BELOW THE $1.50 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
Simple – send the message along to other and do not buy petrol from BP NZ.
[ 本帖最后由 钢崩儿nz 于 2008-5-29 23:17 编辑 ]
作者: taomibaobao 时间: 2008-5-29 23:16:42
花花一早就发了这个帖子了。。还说你常常潜水。。。。不够深啊。。。
作者: miya 时间: 2008-5-29 23:17:35
淘米宝宝你怎么也回来啦。。。。。。
作者: taomibaobao 时间: 2008-5-29 23:18:34
原帖由 miya 于 2008-5-29 23:17 发表
淘米宝宝你怎么也回来啦。。。。。。
星期一早上就回来了。。跟海星一样都是8天的票
作者: 钢崩儿nz 时间: 2008-5-29 23:18:52
可能没注意吧，今天收到客户email,那就沉底吧
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