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[金钱] 今天的热帖: 来自律师的自白- 读 “律师都TMD是贱人” 有感 [复制链接]

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请耐心读完这篇律师的自白:

Six minute billing units

(or one of the many reasons why being a solicitor sucks)

The reason why being a solicitor really sucks comes down, in my mind, to the six minute billing unit. I had forgotten how much I hated the six minute billing unit until I went back to practice after a number of years out of the profession. For those of you who are not familiar with this concept (or if you are lucky enough not to have needed to seek legal advice) a solicitor must note down how long he or she spends doing something, and then the time must be billed to a client in six minute increments. So you have a short 3 minute phone conversation with someone about a matter. Bingo! That’s 1 unit racked up (of course, we round up).

Six minute units are ludicrous. The cost of work done is measured in time spent, not quality. There is an ever present tension to maximise units, but make sure that it doesn’t look like you spent too much time on something. My personal approach was always to record exactly the time I spent on something, not to massage the figures “up” or “down”, and leave it up to the partners to decide whether something should be worth more or less.

Six minute units do not promote efficiency. I am a speed reader and a touch typist. It was very easy for me to read a reasonably long e-mail in 30 seconds and quickly type up a reply. However, my performance would be judged on how many units I could bill to a client: the more units the better. So the fact that I was efficient was not good for my career, because someone who took 15 minutes to read and reply to an e-mail could bill more than me. That person’s figures would look better at the end of the month, and they would be more likely to get promoted than me.

And who do you bill for the half an hour you spend waiting around for a partner to sign an e-mail, while the client fumes that they haven’t gotten a simple reply to their query? But that’s a whole different blog topic…

A solicitor spends a large amount of time every day filling out his or her timesheet and trying to remember what they have done during the day. It was particularly difficult for someone like me to get myself into a routine, and when I did, I found that it was very time-consuming. My thought has never been easily compartmentalisable, and I often think about three things at once (but not necessarily things like recording billing units or which feet my shoes should go on, etc…)

I am also the kind of person who thinks best when drafting a letter of advice if they leave something for a while, or daydream a bit, and then a great idea pops into my head. However, there’s no space for thinking in a timesheet. I refuse to bill a client for 10 minutes while I percolate something in my head. But I think that if you take a little more time using your brain, and a little less time recording the billable shit like talking on the phone, the end product is a lot better. But who cares about that? As I learned, the bottom line is that it’s all about the number of units you’ve recorded at the end of the month.

Secondly, six minute units encourage young solicitors to stay at work as long as possible to maximise their billings. Essentially, the longer you stay, the better you look at the end of the month. So workaholics are rewarded. Okay, this might be fine for some, but I’d like to be able to spend time with my husband and daughter. Of course, I’d also like to do good job, but unless I work myself until my teeth fall out, no one will think I’m doing a good job. Workaholics are inevitably the kind of people who make it to the higher levels in the firm, so the whole culture is continued. People are not promoted for their management skills, but for their capacity to bill and gain clients (again, that’s a whole other blog topic). This is why a law firm is such a peculiar place.

If you don’t make your “quota” of billable hours, then you are in trouble. It is irrelevant that you are not responsible for relations with the client and that you are too junior to bring in new clients. I have heard of solicitors getting in trouble because they hadn’t made their billing targets, but no account was taken of the fact that a large source of work was temporarily on hold (through no fault of the junior solicitors). This is really bad for morale and productivity.

When I went on maternity leave, I got an e-mail asking why I hadn’t made my targets for the previous month…strangely enough, because I had been on leave, I didn’t have anyone to bill, but obviously the firm administration hadn’t noticed (a) my absence and (b) my massive pregnant belly.

Finally, the client gets extremely irritated when they receive a bill and find out that they have been billed for every little call, e-mail etc. Either you make an exorbitant prediction of how much a matter will cost to cover any eventualities, or you risk disappointing the client. Inevitably, a matter takes longer than you think.

The new Legal Practice regime in Victoria seeks to ensure solicitors go into an immense deal of detail in their bills. And fair enough too – a client should know what they are paying for. However, I suspect that this will just increase the amount of complaints tenfold, and no one will be satisfied. I wonder if the Legal Practice Board might be better off abolishing six-minute billing.

Ultimately, what should determine the cost to the client is not the time spent on the process. Some account should be taken of the level of skill and difficulty involved in doing the action. I am not quite sure what the solution is – perhaps a more general bill like a barrister’s bill? So, for example, drafting a simple document, a moderately complex document and a very difficult document could all have different “prices”. The prices would take into account that a junior lawyer should be able to do a simple document without much trouble, but a very difficult document would require a good deal more input from a partner.

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爆料啊。。。。。。。。。。。。

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律师是cashflow quadrant里的self employed,已经过时了。现在比较流行business owner
Disclaimer: 本老鼠发的帖子内容都是在我的理解范围内的。没有误导网友的意思。如果是读者自己误解,不是本老鼠的责任。
我们应该鄙视他们,因为他们脑残
懂的人自然会懂,不懂的永远不会懂

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匿名  发表于 2014-4-9 12:38:12 微信分享
在处理案件时,来回来去地写信,目的似乎有些不纯。

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发表于 2014-4-9 12:57:07 来自手机 |只看该作者 微信分享
可是至少end result 要positve 吧
当一个二货不再犯二时,说明他不开心了。如果可以,我宁愿永远做一个快乐的二货。。。

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匿名  发表于 2014-4-9 13:49:20 微信分享
blur.x 发表于 2014-4-9 11:57
可是至少end result 要positve 吧

同意。。。。。

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cpx1337 发表于 2014-4-9 12:51
长求总~~~~~~~~~

看不懂

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xinseed520 发表于 2014-4-9 13:03
看不懂

概括的说作者的意思就是: 律师的收费方式,变相鼓励他们把案子拖下去。
six minute units encourage young solicitors to stay at work as long as possible to maximise their billings.”

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匿名者 发表于 2014-4-9 13:11
概括的说作者的意思就是: 律师的收费方式,变相鼓励他们把案子拖下去。
“ six minute units encourage ...

太坏了

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匿名  发表于 2014-4-9 14:30:53 微信分享
xinseed520 发表于 2014-4-9 13:13
太坏了

个别的而已
好律师还是很多。

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又不是说所有律师都是向钱看de坏人...只是那名LZ正好碰到个不德行的而已

I know some lawyers are really good and I really appreciated their efforts.
If they do the right things and set the right price,I'll pay them straight away.

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Dealter 发表于 2014-4-9 14:00
又不是说所有律师都是向钱看de坏人...只是那名LZ正好碰到个不德行的而已

I know some lawyers are reall ...

楼上说的有道理,支持一把

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匿名者 发表于 2014-4-9 14:37
楼上说的有道理,支持一把

楼上说的有道理 其实不在乎种族职业地域 哪里都有好人 哪里都有坏人

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突然想到以前看一个段子
女儿: 爸,你之前接收的那桩案子这么久都没有打完,你看我刚进公司一个月就把它搞定了!

爸爸: 女儿啊。。。你以为你读这么多年律师的学费爸爸是怎么赚来的啊
当一个二货不再犯二时,说明他不开心了。如果可以,我宁愿永远做一个快乐的二货。。。

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本帖最后由 匿名 于 2014-4-9 16:28 编辑
blur.x 发表于 2014-4-9 16:25
突然想到以前看一个段子
女儿: 爸,你之前接收的那桩案子这么久都没有打完,你看我刚进公司一个月就把它搞 ...

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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我估计这帖子不火是因为他们看不懂或者就是嫌太长了。。
当一个二货不再犯二时,说明他不开心了。如果可以,我宁愿永远做一个快乐的二货。。。

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匿名  发表于 2014-4-9 17:32:53 微信分享
blur.x 发表于 2014-4-9 16:28
我估计这帖子不火是因为他们看不懂或者就是嫌太长了。。

有没有概括帝出现, 帮助大家总结一下

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其實都是坑錢的

跟修車是同個道理.....

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其實都是坑錢的

跟修車是同個道理.....

顶贴,顶。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

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两种律师最无耻:
1.故意拖延时间,增加收费的.
2.本身没啥能力,按程序走,不替客人争取,不管结果如何,只管收费的.

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办移民本不应该找律师。。。
a ha

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MSM 发表于 2014-4-10 00:11
两种律师最无耻:
1.故意拖延时间,增加收费的.
2.本身没啥能力,按程序走,不替客人争取,不管结果如何,只管收 ...

概括帝终于出现了。

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路过帮顶 !!!!!!!

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办移民本不应该找律师。。。

是好律师和坏律师的问题,或者移民中介的好坏
人们经常是不讲道理的、没有逻辑的和以自我为中心的。不管怎样,你要原谅他们。即使你是友善的,人们可能还是会说你自私和动机不良。不管怎样,你还是要友善。

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突然想到以前看一个段子
女儿: 爸,你之前接收的那桩案子这么久都没有打完,你看我刚进公司一个月就把它搞 ...

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