Pharmacy, Pharmacology 跟 Medicinal Chemistry 到底差在哪?

danhaishibuman

好像Pharmacy 都會讀到 Pharmacol + MedChem 的 Papers?


所以其實Pharmacist 工作也能做Pharmacol + Medchem 的 career path??


求了解!

柠檬糖

同问。。。。

但我知道medicinal是制药/研发的 这个就跟pharmacy不一样

danhaishibuman

但好像Pharmacy 都會學那些製藥的那些Paper??  
所以我想問是否Pharmacist 也可以往那方面走 因為有這些基礎?

stephyw

i have the same question

danhaishibuman

推 上 去 求解答 求解答

碎芯、

读pharmay的出来可以做另外两个的工作，读的papers包括了部分另外两个的papers的，主要是出来了可以做药剂师，可以自己开药房。pharmacology 只是药剂学，读出来了就是在药厂和实验室是专业对口的，medchem的话就是在实验室了。medchem读的人比较多，pharmacology的人真的好少，pharmacy每年限定100人左右。

danhaishibuman

所以讀Pharmacol + Medchem
還不如讀Pharmacy? 兩者包辦?
以後工作更多選擇 ??

碎芯、

danhaishibuman 发表于 2012-8-24 11:23
所以讀Pharmacol + Medchem
還不如讀Pharmacy? 兩者包辦?
以後工作更多選擇 ??

是的呢 我跟我的同学都是这样觉得的，就是pharmacy要读的时间长点读的Papers难点还有进去的要求高点

danhaishibuman

碎芯、 发表于 2012-8-24 11:36
是的呢 我跟我的同学都是这样觉得的，就是pharmacy要读的时间长点读的Papers难点还有进去的要求高点

那感覺好像讀其他兩個 沒意義??

碎芯、

danhaishibuman 发表于 2012-8-24 13:13
那感覺好像讀其他兩個 沒意義??

当然不是这样的，看个人爱好啊，有人不喜欢在药房工作喜欢研发那就没有必要浪费时间读pharmacy了。pharmacy 有很多 pharmacy的专业课的，要是你单纯喜欢研发药品之类的就没有必要读pharmacy了。不过很多人在读第一年的时候都会努力试试进pharmacy的，毕竟要是想向医药品类发展的话读了pharmacy基本上就概括了。你要是单纯看哪个容易找工作容易有更好发展的话肯定是pharmacy的了。新西兰药厂太少了 研发药品的公司工厂来来去去不就那几个吗？单纯读pharmacology的话出来工作不好找的，这就是为什么读的人不多

小米舟

pharmacy is pretty easy to get in but its quite tough to get good grades. when you graduate you can work as a community pharmacist, hospital pharmacist, in pharmaceutical companies or academic research. medchem is more concerned with discovering new chemical entities which can be developed into new medication, pharmacology is more concerned with how this new medicine works inside the body, eg receptors, enzymes and other molecular targets. pharmacy have to study both medsci and chemistry papers until 3rd year, then 4th year we focus on pharmacy papers alone and then one more internship year before registration. So if you are prepared to sacrifice your social life and no sleep for 4 years then go for pharmacy. pharmacology has a better future than medchem, especially if you decide to go to america.

danhaishibuman

小米舟 发表于 2012-8-25 14:23
pharmacy is pretty easy to get in but its quite tough to get good grades. when you graduate you can  ...

Thank you,, I am more concerned whether Pharmacy will be able to take up roles that Pharmacology or Medicinal Chemistry graduates can do ? E.g. as you said synthesising new medications and how this works in the body.

小米舟

danhaishibuman 发表于 2012-8-25 15:42
Thank you,, I am more concerned whether Pharmacy will be able to take up roles that Pharmacology o ...

yea there are industrial pharmacists, (one of our lecturer is one) but its not as common in nz because we don't have any major pharmaceutical companies. we only have one (douglas pharmaceuticals) and they are not really research based.

danhaishibuman

小米舟 发表于 2012-8-25 16:55
yea there are industrial pharmacists, (one of our lecturer is one) but its not as common in nz bec ...

So does that mean that pharmacology and medicinal chemistry are actually just an extract to pharmacy ? and pharmacy will have much wider career path (consisting of its own career path with addition of pharmacol / medchem roles) compared to only pharmacol / medchem ?

tonyget

在世界工业体系中，制药业的研发投入无论是比例还是人员数量，都比其它行业高出很多

小米舟

danhaishibuman 发表于 2012-8-25 20:34
So does that mean that pharmacology and medicinal chemistry are actually just an extract to pharma ...

not really, pharmacy is still more clinical and the others are more research based. personally i think pharmacology has got a great future if you decide to go outside NZ.

danhaishibuman

小米舟 发表于 2012-8-26 04:57
not really, pharmacy is still more clinical and the others are more research based. personally i t ...

thank you,, so what you are saying is that pharmacy are not able to have careers that medchem / pharmacol can go through ?? e.g. research based jobs?

danhaishibuman

tonyget 发表于 2012-8-26 00:00
在世界工业体系中，制药业的研发投入无论是比例还是人员数量，都比其它行业高出很多

謝謝! 我的意思是 讀Pharmacy 的 是否也可以往研發製藥的職業走?

小米舟

danhaishibuman 发表于 2012-8-26 21:00
thank you,, so what you are saying is that pharmacy are not able to have careers that medchem / ph ...

they can but not that common. <10% pharmacist work in research (drug development, new dosage form formulations... academic writing and publications etc.. ). >50% in community pharmacy, ~30% in hospitals (ward clinical pharmacist, dispensary and compounding etc) , ~ 10% work in industry (quality control management... ). where as if you do pharmacology or medchem then most graduates will end up doing research.  hope that helps. :)

tonyget

danhaishibuman 发表于 2012-8-26 21:00
謝謝! 我的意思是 讀Pharmacy 的 是否也可以往研發製藥的職業走?

不清楚，不过在这个行业对高学历需求大，最好读到PHD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overqualified

In the corporate world, some Ph.D. graduates have been criticized as being unable to turn theories into useful strategies and being unable to work on a team, although Ph.D.s are seen as desirable and even essential in many positions, such as supervisory roles in research, especially Ph.D.s in biomedical sciences.

chenhanlin92

小米舟 发表于 2012-8-26 22:01
they can but not that common. 50% in community pharmacy, ~30% in hospitals (ward clinical pharmaci ...

Hi I have got another question. is the degree in pharmacology from UoA accepted by US or Aus or any other countries? cheers

小米舟

chenhanlin92 发表于 2012-8-27 13:19
Hi I have got another question. is the degree in pharmacology from UoA accepted by US or Aus or an ...

im not too sure about pharmacology sorry, but i know with the pharmacy degree  is recognised in aus and uk. but you'd need further training if you want to work in US. I think most qualifications are recognised by AUS though

NZ-Murray

我个人觉得如果想要做药物研究和开发 Medicinal Chemistry 比 Pharmacology 所能提供的专业知识会更好。 Pharmacy 的重点是在临床，如果没有足够的化学背景做不了药物研究。

雪2003

读MedChem 的飘过 怎么从你们说的感觉这个专业最垃圾啊

danhaishibuman

雪2003 发表于 2012-8-31 23:17
读MedChem 的飘过 怎么从你们说的感觉这个专业最垃圾啊

想聽一下你的看法 !! 因為我真的不太了解,,

因為你的專業是這個 所以 一定更清楚 !!

柠檬糖

这个贴好多强人。。。。

~faye~

貌似Pharmacist主要还是开药配药在local pharmacy而不是研发，也可以在医院里面工作给病人用药。
Medicinal chem和pharmacology才是研发，前着更着重chem而后者更重视药对人体的作用

danhaishibuman

~faye~ 发表于 2012-9-11 00:41
貌似Pharmacist主要还是开药配药在local pharmacy而不是研发，也可以在医院里面工作给病人用药。
Medicina ...

恩恩 但從上面我perceive Pharmacist 畢業後想往研發發展也行 因為
都會讀到其他兩個的paper, 想問是否正確?

danhaishibuman

想問一下既然Pharmacy 主要是藥房

所以他們的Masters / PhD 哪裡跟
Medchem / Pharmacology 的 Master /PhD

不同?

NZ-Murray

danhaishibuman 发表于 2012-9-13 14:37
想問一下既然Pharmacy 主要是藥房

所以他們的Masters / PhD 哪裡跟

澳大没有 Pharmacy 的 PhD, Masters 倒是有。自己看吧。
http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/master-of-clinical-pharmacy

Otago 两个都有， 自己看吧。
Masters:
http://www.otago.ac.nz/courses/qualifications/mclinpharm.html
http://www.otago.ac.nz/courses/qualifications/mpharm.html
PhD
http://pharmacy.otago.ac.nz/students/phd-positions