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coolge

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ilmaro

TOYOTA 更好一些吧，目前来说

chang824

Top Hybrid Cars

2012-Toyota-Prius-

011_2012_Civic_Hybrid

2012-Honda-Insight


2012-Lexus-CT-200h

Toyota Camry Hybrid

from http://www.hybridcars.com/top-hybrid-cars-list

爱国爱港

Honda hybrid系统的设计比Toyota的简单

happydog1314

Honda IMA 严格意义上不叫Hybrid，在发动机和波箱之间加一个电机，既可作为发电机给大电池充电，也可以作为马达给发动机助力，等红灯时发动机不会熄火，机械结构相对比Toyota 的Hybrid 简单。Toyota的hybrid 只要停车，发动机就会熄火，对环境也更好，更省油。

chang824

happydog1314 发表于 2012-3-6 09:03
Honda IMA 严格意义上不叫Hybrid，在发动机和波箱之间加一个电机，既可作为发电机给大电池充电，也可以作为 ...

專業的

膜拜下

Eddie8848

Honda's IMA system is simplier but most (if not all) times still rely on the petrol engine.
However, it is much cheaper to buy and replace the batteries.
Honda's Hybrid batteries are now warranted for 160,000km or 8 years and will be $800 to replace.

If you are considering the Toyota Prius (From $49,900) and Honda Insight (From $35,600) and buy a hybrid to save on fuel expenses.
How long and how far will it take you to recover that extra $14,300?
Official consumption figures for the Prius is 3.9L/100km and Insight at 4.6L/100km - Prius runs on Premium fuel which is currently at $2.25 while Insight is on regular unleaded at $2.17

Cost of running each 10,000km on the Prius will be $877.5 and the Insight will be $998.2
Difference of $120.7/10,000km means it is going to take 1,184,755km to recover the price difference.
How many people would do such a mileage in their life? and on the same car?

Of course the Prius is bigger but if you are looking for a hybrid which is cheap to run, makes no sense buying the Prius at the list price of $50,000.

chang824

Eddie8848 发表于 2012-3-6 11:16
Honda's IMA system is simplier but most (if not all) times still rely on the petrol engine.
However ...

分析帝

膜拜下

Rosaryhouse

本田的hybrid car上市的时候 丰田还在研究hybrid模型。
但丰田财大后面有日本政府支持，外形漂亮。

本田白手起家，又有远见，很佩服。

Fullhappysky

toyota。。。。。。

protrek

两个品牌都好。本田更具价格优势。如果tmd单纯想省油钱而买了JB很贵的hybird的话，得开好几十万公里才能省得回来。不知道大电池能挺到那会不！！！！

Eddie8848

我覺得應該是看相對的車型才考慮買不買hybrid,
買Prius的話最相似的Toyota車型就是1.8 Corolla GX AT From $35,990
相差一萬多的車價 - 要開多遠才能省回來呢?

如果是本田的Insight 才$35,600, 相近似的hatchback沒有. 如果是Jazz 1.5的話是$31,200
相差$4,400的車價也要近100,000km才能省回來 (6.7l/100km vs 4.6l/100km)

protrek

Eddie8848 发表于 2012-3-6 16:06
我覺得應該是看相對的車型才考慮買不買hybrid,
買Prius的話最相似的Toyota車型就是1.8 Corolla GX AT From ...

个人感觉JB MITSUBISHI LANCER HATCHBACK跟INSIGHT个头差不多，又都是CVT。 LANCER HATCHBACK$30690 毛估估TMD要开六到七万公里才能平回价格。

protrek

Eddie8848 发表于 2012-3-6 16:06
我覺得應該是看相對的車型才考慮買不買hybrid,
買Prius的話最相似的Toyota車型就是1.8 Corolla GX AT From ...

JB好像mitsubishi lancer hatchback跟insight的个头差不多，还都是CVT的。lancer$30690，毛估估TMD要开六到七万公里才能平会价格。4.6L100KM VS 8.3L/100KM

safari96

happydog1314 发表于 2012-3-6 09:03
Honda IMA 严格意义上不叫Hybrid，在发动机和波箱之间加一个电机，既可作为发电机给大电池充电，也可以作为 ...

这种Hybrid还是Hybrid，只不过属于Mild hybrid种类而已，严格地说不能只把Full Hybrid看成是Hybrid,其他的就不是了， 这是从Hybrid的程度上来区分的，程度不同而已。
还有一种区分方法是按照PowerTrain来区分的，驱动方式不同而已。

happydog1314

safari96 发表于 2012-3-6 20:11
这种Hybrid还是Hybrid，只不过属于Mild hybrid种类而已，严格地说不能只把Full Hybrid看成是Hybrid,其他的 ...

我对Hybrid学习的不深，Toyota的看过一些文章，Honda IMA 做过一个Power Point，也只是对基本的电机，电池和控制设计做一些简单的介绍。我觉得Hybrid（这里专指油电混合动力）是未来汽车的一个过渡产品，毕竟内燃机最终会淘汰，在Fuel cell 或纯电动汽车普及之前，Hybrid将是不错的选择。如果我要买混合动力车，看了7楼的朋友的介绍，我会买Honda。

另外，Hybrid是一个很好的Topic，希望大家都能普及一下Hybrid的知识，踊跃讨论。

safari96

happydog1314 发表于 2012-3-6 22:05
我对Hybrid学习的不深，Toyota的看过一些文章，Honda IMA 做过一个Power Point，也只是对基本的电机，电池 ...

我知道的也不是很多，只不过是以前写过关于EV驱动模式的Assignment, 做的Project也与Hybrid有关，所以涉猎了一些，大家互相学习。
大家有兴趣可以Google一下 “Who killed the electric car", 那时EV还几乎没有什么量产。而现在开始提到议事日程上来了。
不过EV在电池的瓶颈问题解决前还有很长的路要走，也和整个社会的经济布局有关。

lexusnz

Rosaryhouse 发表于 2012-3-6 14:08
本田的hybrid car上市的时候 丰田还在研究hybrid模型。
但丰田财大后面有日本政府支持，外形漂亮。

Haha, what a joke.

Toyota Started Hybrid Reaserch and development in the 1970's,
They had their first Production vehicle in 1997 Pruis Gen I.

Honda's hybrid are MILD Hybrids
Toyota's hybrid are FULL Hydrids

lexusnz

Rosaryhouse 发表于 2012-3-6 14:08
本田的hybrid car上市的时候 丰田还在研究hybrid模型。
但丰田财大后面有日本政府支持，外形漂亮。

Haha, what a joke.

Toyota Started Hybrid Reaserch and development in the 1970's,
They had their first Production vehicle in 1997 Pruis Gen I.

Honda's hybrid are MILD Hybrids
Toyota's hybrid are FULL Hydrids

Eddie8848

Toyota actually had their first hybrid in the market in 1997 (Prius 1st Gen) while the Honda Insight was released in 1999.

However, whether it is FULL hybrid or MILD hybrid does not really matter to most buyers, what they are looking into is "IF IT IS COST EFFECTIVE TO OWN A HYBRID OR NOT"

While Toyota Hybrids in New Zealand still carry a hefty premium over the conventional petrol siblings, Honda's hybrid Insight is an affordable alternative to similar sized hatches.
Honda will bring in the Hybrid Jazz this winter, the $32k tag will be pretty attractive as an alternative of the $31.2k Jazz Sport.

keepower

Eddie8848 发表于 2012-3-7 14:02
Toyota actually had their first hybrid in the market in 1997 (Prius 1st Gen) while the Honda Insight ...

同意本田哥的说法. 现在个人用户买非传统gasoline的新车都不是很cost effective, 甚至买新款柴油车多花的费用都不是很容易recover回来 ~~ 所以mazda 跑去做号称可以和hybird媲美的gasoline车款去了~~

protrek

Mazda3的skyactiv$37000左右。油耗6.2L/100km.   跟insight比的话，动力感和操控感都是mazda好点

jacksun0833

TOYOTA的PRIUS在高速上把窗打开，手伸出去，会原地打转的，要小心啊