Nature 杂志居然也来凑叶诗文的热闹，真是够了！

六月飞雪

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http://www.nature.com/news/why-g ... -suspicions-1.11109:

这是最新的Nature从叶诗文事件引起讨论的文章

有兴趣的可以读读，估计看了会有很多人气得跳起来。不过没关系。看看comments，里面有很多有力的反驳

Zhenxi Zhang said:I just want to add this: Phelps improved 4+ seconds in his 200 fly between 14-15 years old. Ian Thorpe also had a similar performance improvement. Ye is now 16. She was 160 cm in height and now 170 cm. Human biology also play a role – she gets stronger and bigger naturally. Yes she can make up 5 seconds (NOT 7 seconds in the article) in a 400 IM that has more room for improvement, with good training she got in Australia.

both the 400 IM and 200 IM finals, Ye were behind until freestyle. Well I guess there is "drug" that just enhances freestyle, but not the backstroke, breast, and fly. Does that make sense? Also, it is not professional to only mention that 'her showing in the last 50 metres, which she swam faster than US swimmer Ryan Lochte did when he won gold in the menâ

真是够了，这么一个全世界science的权威杂志，居然放这种不负责任，完全不professional的文章，我很想把办公室的一掇nature全撕了！
我开始怀疑nature上 article的真实性了！

一叶の秋

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六月飞雪

全世界所有的scientist都以能在nature上publish一篇文章为荣
而nature现在却刊登这样一篇完全不负责任的文章
不仅有辱自身的reputation，更是对所有读者和所有在nature上刊登过文章的scientist极大的不负责和侮辱
让人再也无法相信nature的权威性了

都说了体育，奥林匹克无关政治国籍，science 也应该如此！

sophie-cas

楼主消消气。。。我也是nature杂志的忠实粉丝啊。。。。在它上面发文章，那是dream....哈哈
具体文章细节还没看，个人觉得，不谈政治，不谈国籍，单纯就科学的角度去研究，去质疑它是一件好事。。
最好全世界的运动学科学家来研究叶诗文案例，还能提供咱中国的知名度呢。

我是大号的小号

我也看了。。。这几天很多人都在说这个事情。包括我们游泳队的教练也说，说肯定humanly impossible的。。诶。。我都不知道该怎么反驳他们。。。不过，有些kiwi看到我在场，不会mention说是chinese，他们只是单纯的说，16 year-old的girl 是impossible的。。。诶。。

我已经把这个链接转发给我们全系的老师。。让他们读一读，不要在误人子弟的做研究了。。

六月飞雪

sophie-cas 发表于 2012-8-3 11:42
楼主消消气。。。我也是nature杂志的忠实粉丝啊。。。。在它上面发文章，那是dream....哈哈
具体文章细节还 ...

质疑是好事，可是他完全没有任何的科学证据，
所有提出的数据都是带着有色眼镜为了证明那个在他心中已有答案的数据，都是cherry-pick，
这不是scientist该有的态度，更加证明了author 和editor的不专业
这是一个世界no 1的杂志，犯这种弱智错误，那就让人怀疑 1 他们能力有问题，完全不专业，2 他们自身带着种族歧视
science要critical review， peer review， 你懂的，如果心中的天平早已偏向一方，是做不到critical 的
这一篇文章完全是misleading
nature的审核多么严格，一篇文章要发表要经过几个editor的review，发表一篇researech artical 里面的一个figure他们都態调出各种问题，这么一个严谨的杂志发表出这种质量的文章，不是自煽嘴巴是什么

六月飞雪

我真是受够了这些white trash!!
种族歧视就是种族歧视，
不要冠冕堂皇的打着各种幌子
更让人觉得恶心！

一叶の秋

lz息怒啊............

apple-kid

that introduction article is quite good. it is a good sample how to write a small piece of article to introduce your research and attract eyeballs. but the authors have not presumed the article attracted many readers who do not have any scientific knowledge.

whoever with basic physiology knowledge will know it is impossible woman swim faster than man. that is not based on sexist prejudice, it is based on the scientific truth: they have different muscle structure. so when a woman has higher speed than man, the question will raise--whether she uses drug.

六月飞雪

In the same event there are four male swimmers that swam faster than both Lochter (29.10 sec)and Ye (28.93 sec) in the last 50m : Hagino (28.52 sec), Phelps (28.44 sec), Horihata (27.87 sec) and Fraser-Holmes (28.35 sec). Why did they just pick up Lothter to compare with Ye and come up with a conclusion that Ye was faster than male swimmers?

Yes, this is a good article to teach you how to cherry-pick data and make up a story!

六月飞雪

给洋大爷舔屁股，还是改变不了你是中国人的事实，人家还是瞧不起你！

年龄，性别，都是扯淡！ 就是因为她是中国人！
你洋大爷已经早就承认了，自己去上youtube看论吧，人家自己都说如果叶诗文是黄头发白皮肤蓝眼睛，这一切都很正常

apple-kid

In the same event? you mean swiming? to be fair the comparison should be in same swim distance and same style.

by the way, what is physiology limitation of woman when compare strength with man? it is 80%.

apple-kid

六月飞雪 发表于 2012-8-3 12:43
给洋大爷舔屁股，还是改变不了你是中国人的事实，人家还是瞧不起你！

年龄，性别，都是扯淡！ 就是因为她 ...

watch carefully what you said.
tell me what you are working for?

撸至深

那个啥apple kid 脑子进大便了吧
没事拽你的英文
你那么喜欢给你主子辩护啊？

六月飞雪

apple-kid 发表于 2012-8-3 13:01
In the same event? you mean swiming? to be fair the comparison should be in same swim distance and s ...

我真怀疑你没看比赛什么都不懂就来说
就是罗切特参加的这场男子400米混合泳，同时参加比赛的另外四个人，在最后50米冲刺的阶段的速度都超过了罗切特，超过了叶诗文在女子400米混合泳最后50米冲刺的速度，而偏偏他们要挑罗切特的成绩来和叶诗文比，为什么？
而且罗切特在前面300米中已经已经拼力并且领先，最后冲刺速度减缓是有可能的
而叶诗文是在前300米落后，最后一个泳姿自由泳是自己强项的情况下，奋力冲击追上来的
这两种成绩有可比性吗？如果要比，为什么不拿几个同样在落后情况下奋起直追的男选手的成绩来比呢？

如果纯粹从体育技术角度你要怀疑无可厚非，可是这种原话出自一个游泳教练之口---不专业
你要从science角度分析数据，也无可厚非
但是专业stats的master却挑数据来做文章--不专业
还是证明了两点：1不专业2歧视
一个science的好文章不仅要从写作手法上评判专不专业，更要从内容上来评判

MaxPower

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lamasheep

现在洋鬼子的狗腿子真多啊

fallrainsboy

很多人+媒体+国家，看不惯中国在任何方面强大。

只能说是恐惧+嫉妒+偏见心理。

这是民主+自由+公正么？不是！全世界很少有人在一辈子的时间里完全公正对待任何事情！

所以，所谓的民主之类的措辞只是在保证自己利益前提下！

六月飞雪

MaxPower 发表于 2012-8-3 13:26
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我写了，肯定早已被淹没在吐槽大军中了
我们老师都说了这些欧美权威杂志里面有些操作手段很doggy

UV15

没有船坚炮利，没有核武器，一切的民主自由公正，都是给婊子看的。

看看叙利亚，看看伊拉克还有利比亚就明白了。

apple-kid

it is interesting. I do not feel uncomfortable when i read the article, as this article is not intended to insinuate that Ye is guilty of anything. from scientific point of view, i think that is right to test any one whose performance is anomalous whether they use drug, what is more the test should not be one off, should be constantly last few year.

the new editor was right. the case of Ye is a sensitive one for some readers. but those readers are the wrong person go to the wrong place.

六月飞雪

啊哈哈哈
这人的评论笑死我了：2012-08-02 02:19 AM
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Si Xu said: I couldn't help but jokingly categorize you as a 2B Wenyi young man, in reasons that:

You are so 2B to come up with such an article; and

You are so Wenyi to have managed to publish it on Nature online.

2B wenyi young men {:8_473:}

MaxPower

六月飞雪 发表于 2012-8-3 14:25
啊哈哈哈
这人的评论笑死我了：2012-08-02 02:19 AM
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撸至深

apple-kid 发表于 2012-8-3 14:06
it is interesting. I do not feel uncomfortable when i read the article, as this article is not inten ...

能不能不要恶心的秀你的英语了
给你50cent还不行么！！！版主评评理！

孔乙己

六月飞雪 发表于 2012-8-3 13:19
我真怀疑你没看比赛什么都不懂就来说
就是罗切特参加的这场男子400米混合泳，同时参加比赛的另外四个人 ...

精彩。。赞一个！！！

snowbaby2006

中国人最不缺的就是汉奸。所以一旦外族入侵，总是失败的次数多。

不太贱

apple-kid 发表于 2012-8-3 14:06
it is interesting. I do not feel uncomfortable when i read the article, as this article is not inten ...

看到这样的文章都没觉得uncomfortable的人，我服了。还说什么＂以科学的角度来看＂这样的话来给自己带高帽子，真心以为自己是大科家了。此人非香蕉即汉奸，要么是扛洋枪的。鉴定完毕。No more comments.