petrol vs diesel engine

autlife

想问问各位开过汽油和柴油车的，正在考虑买柴油的，汽油现在太贵了，如果去掉road user charge 柴油还会便宜很多么，每年大概开1万五的样子？？？？？？

Dai_loOk_7

其实各有各好，柴油在油耗方面领先，而汽油在动力方面柴油是没法比的，也从没有谁强过谁这说法。不要给新西兰这地方给骗了，真的这么好的话很多发达国家如美国日本等就会大力支持发展柴油车，可是事实刚好相反，很多地区甚至禁止了柴油，无论怎么改进柴油对环境和人体危害还是比较大，欧洲也是因为市场差异极端所以各自占有一半，但同车型里汽油版永远比柴油版高级。而且各国对柴油公路行驶费用也不同，但平均起来也比这里贵，加上汽油版车型的高端市场在这里非常地不适应，所以造成本地柴油优势的现象。

当然如果你问在新西兰买哪个好？那肯定是柴油，因为省油和保值啊！除非你最求的是速度与基情，就是柴油车身上缺少的那种“汽"质和乐趣

cocolococo

test drive过同一个年份的SUV 真的diesel 比petrol爽很多（除了发动机震动以外）~再买SUV绝对不买汽油的~纯粹个人意见

Neverfull7

爱国爱港 发表于 2013-7-19 23:22
混动技术适合日本国情，特别是日本大城市严重堵车。

但在美、澳纽等地区，堵车问题没那么严重，混动系 ...

堵车问题在NZ会越来越严重........

awesome.possum

祖传老军医 发表于 2013-7-20 02:05
哈哈哈哈哈哈，你不是说不理我了吗？怎么我逗你一下你要反咬我两口？真是条乖狗。。。咬爽了吗？我睡觉啦你 ...

Sigh, back and forth this is all you got? An eight years old has more words to use than you. But I do remember that you mentioned in you previous post you are old. So, please accept my sincere apology, and god forgive me for spent time arguing with an old retarded man who struggles to form a decent sentence even in his own language, where his ignorance can only be seen through his scarcity of words......,
I should never have done that, and sorry if I've caused you any psycological trauma.  No matter how pale and lack of lexical ability your words are, from now on you will always have my sympathy and respect!

祖传老军医

哈哈哈哈哈哈，你不是说不理我了吗？怎么我逗你一下你要反咬我两口？真是条乖狗。。。咬爽了吗？我睡觉啦你继续看门吧，乖晚上不要乱吠哦

awesome.possum

祖传老军医 发表于 2013-7-20 00:55
As a matter of fact, when cars get older, cost of maintenance go up, no matter your car runs on, die ...

COST GO UP, which one of ur dumb arse eye see me saying cost goes up by same amount?? You are so stupid man, do me a favour, PULL UR HEAD OUT OF UR ARSE ND PISS OFF, save urself some dignity

awesome.possum

祖传老军医 发表于 2013-7-20 00:55
As a matter of fact, when cars get older, cost of maintenance go up, no matter your car runs on, die ...

Was I talking to you?? Piss off douche, didn't I say I'm done with you, what did you crawl back for?

祖传老军医

As a matter of fact, when cars get older, cost of maintenance go up, no matter your car runs on, diesel, petrol, electricity or even water.

使用不同燃料的车老了以后维护费用都一样？车老了只要算保养成本不要算损耗件的更换？你知道diesel pump， diesel injector多少钱吗？还用水做燃料的车。。。你脑袋里装的是大便吗？有病要早治，不要拖。。。

awesome.possum

爱国爱港 发表于 2013-7-19 23:26
纽西兰不是经常堵车，估计上高速公路时3.5引擎会比低排量的引擎“懒”一点，低排量引擎要“劳动”才能得到 ...

Yes That is how i feel, big engine cars can be pretty fuel efficient once we got the speed up.

awesome.possum

johnz79 发表于 2013-7-19 23:06
你买了10万纽币的新车，新技术肯定省油不少，但是你也提前预支了那些柴油省下来的钱。过了三年的免费Serv ...

Is new petrol car any cheaper?

awesome.possum

johnz79 发表于 2013-7-19 23:06
你买了10万纽币的新车，新技术肯定省油不少，但是你也提前预支了那些柴油省下来的钱。过了三年的免费Serv ...

And it's likely that a diesel is going to worth a lot more than a petrol in 10 years, especially SUVs. So if you have to say diesel is costly on maintenance, and only if it's true ( adding the fact new diesel engine oil usually last 20000kms or more in most weather conditions) then they kind cancel each others out on values. As a matter of fact, when cars get older, cost of maintenance go up, no matter your car runs on, diesel, petrol, electricity or even water.
Very wishful thinking for some that when old diesel cost more to maintain, petrol will remain cheap......
I will let you know in 10 years, there was another dude in this thread who wants to know in 10 years as well, btw he's a douche.

爱国爱港

BMW`M 发表于 2013-7-18 11:21
什么3.5那么省？

纽西兰不是经常堵车，估计上高速公路时3.5引擎会比低排量的引擎“懒”一点，低排量引擎要“劳动”才能得到提速

爱国爱港

Neverfull7 发表于 2013-7-19 13:26
日本现在主攻的还是混动技术，毕竟日本主要车企的市场就2个，首先是本土和亚洲市场，几乎全是汽油垄断，然 ...

混动技术适合日本国情，特别是日本大城市严重堵车。

但在美、澳纽等地区，堵车问题没那么严重，混动系统反增加车重和机械电子系统的复杂度

awesome.possum

johnz79 发表于 2013-7-19 23:06
你买了10万纽币的新车，新技术肯定省油不少，但是你也提前预支了那些柴油省下来的钱。过了三年的免费Serv ...

Somehow same can be said for petrol cars don't you think??

johnz79

awesome.possum 发表于 2013-7-19 16:06
For the last question my answer is neither. I won't go for a 2.0 car, only coz personally i don't  ...

你买了10万纽币的新车，新技术肯定省油不少，但是你也提前预支了那些柴油省下来的钱。过了三年的免费Service，开上10万公里以上，再来看柴油省钱，还是汽油。

awesome.possum

Neverfull7 发表于 2013-7-19 13:26
日本现在主攻的还是混动技术，毕竟日本主要车企的市场就2个，首先是本土和亚洲市场，几乎全是汽油垄断，然 ...

For the last question my answer is neither. I won't go for a 2.0 car, only coz personally i don't like it:), and  I never was an expert in automobile marketing strategy. As a consumer I suppose hybrid is the future, not conventional diesel or petrol. In 20 years, I'll buy a F800 myself, oh, actually I might be gladly forced in to my first hybrid alot sooner than 20 yrs, coz of the skyrocketing petrol price:)
I can't go into minds of the car manufacturers but I guess reason they are making that petrol turbo stuff with lower cc rating is simple, they consume less petrol and they are cheaper to run, and then I rather believe they did have environment in mind as well:). small engine petrol cars will stay on the stage longer than big engines, not coz of emission, that comes down to the price of petrol, big engine petrol cars will become dinosaurs followed by diesel cars and small petrol cars (maybe????, but big petrol engine cars will be the first one to go for sure).
Just to be clear, I have nothing against petrol cars, had many in the past and they all been good. I have a ML350 nd CLS350 diesel nd a SWIFT, petrol of coz:), nd I would LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOVE to have a new CLS63, only thing standing between me and that beauty is my family who occasionally need to be fed, and I just can't afford another 6.3 petrol!:)

Neverfull7

awesome.possum 发表于 2013-7-19 12:02
Hmmmm, interesting. I always thought petrol will be the biggest loser among hybrid, diesel nd petr ...

日本现在主攻的还是混动技术，毕竟日本主要车企的市场就2个，首先是本土和亚洲市场，几乎全是汽油垄断，然后就是北美，仍然是汽油的天下，从他们的新车布局能看懂，他们认为混动比汽油Turbo技术更有优势。
纯技术层面看，当今乃至今后的3-5年，混动确实是理论上最完美的方案，比柴油低的油耗，媲美柴油的低扭（电机的低扭很强)，超过纯汽油的平顺度，超低的排放，但是理论归理论，很多因素造成混动的市场占有率仍然偏低，短期很难看到强劲增长，中期来看应该是发展方向。

再看欧洲车厂，柴油技术一贯是他们的强项，这是由市场决定的，但是他们最近的研发重心，明显可以看到就是排量越来越小的汽油机，一贯坚持自吸的宝马的拿出了N20 2.0T，新款M3马上也要换装3.0T, 大众奔驰旗下现在几乎全线都是T。同时宝马的i品牌马上进入量产阶段，i3有纯电动和增程混动两款，可见欧洲车厂也要开始将慢慢加大对混动甚至是电动的投入，他们也明白，这个趋势没办法逆转。

美系厂商就是一边跟日系合作研发混动，一边将产品线全部T化，也是两手都要抓。

再看看失落的柴油，技术的发展，对比汽油Turbo和电动，几乎可以说是停滞不前。柴油机仍然是飞机轮船大货车的最佳燃料，但在家用车领域，可以预见将慢慢消亡.....

我承认我也很迷恋刚开柴油车那种轻点油门就有强劲推力的轻快感，但是如果你再开开最新的汽油机，如N20 2.0T  350NM的扭矩从1250转就爆发持续到4800转，死活感觉不到turbo lag，而柴油的lag仍然是那么的明显，起码扭矩的快感差距，已经微乎其微了，而这款2.0T的油耗，正常市区是9-10升，同样高功率的2.0T柴油，油耗是在8升左右，但是前段动力差不多，基本没有后段，要拼0-100，差距有2秒，6秒和8秒的差距，你选那款？

xuli019

如果汽油车是大排量的。。。一年就算只开10000公里 柴油也比汽油省

sky_nz

我自从换了柴油车
就再也不想碰汽油车了
再买还要柴油车

awesome.possum

Neverfull7 发表于 2013-7-19 10:49
个人认为柴油车唯一的优点就是低扭强劲了，柴油算上RUC，每升的价格甚至比汽油还贵，每年路税维护成本也高 ...

Hmmmm, interesting. I always thought petrol will be the biggest loser among hybrid, diesel nd petrol. Yeh Diesel engine is big in Europe but not in the states, jap are making more diesel cars now, I wouldn't worry bout china due to consumer awareness in premium diesel cars, they're not buying diesel has simply nothing to do with environment, not to mention diesel back home isn't up to intl standard anyway. But thanks for sharing, perhaps diesel ain't that cheap to run in some cases.

Neverfull7

awesome.possum 发表于 2013-7-18 13:27
350L, 可能是我早晚堵车时开的不多，11L/100km 有时多一点，不过不会差太远，E350以前有次满箱油差一点点 ...

个人认为柴油车唯一的优点就是低扭强劲了，柴油算上RUC，每升的价格甚至比汽油还贵，每年路税维护成本也高，当然同等排量的平均油耗一般低20%左右，但每年不跑超过3万公里，这点差距基本都被路税保养的劣势抵消了，且现在这个油耗差距在不断拉近，尤其是现在汽油Turbo车技术日益精进，比如最新的大众的1.4T 和宝马的2.0T, 在油耗和低扭这两个方面，与柴油的差距又小了很多，换来的就是安静平顺的发动机运转，相对健康的排放。如果再算上混动，甚至纯电动技术，柴油在家用车领域真的没有什么前景了，尤其是与现在的环保排放理念背道而驰。另一个现状就是柴油只在欧洲流行，而现在中国和美国的汽车市场占据了全球大半，这两个国家都是汽油占据绝对主导地位

awesome.possum

天空的感觉 发表于 2013-7-19 00:03
URC 是什么？ 只知道RUC.....

URC=RUC.........

天空的感觉

awesome.possum 发表于 2013-7-17 22:49
Sure I added URC man, still way cheaper though. By the way the myth that someone keep saying Europ ...

URC 是什么？ 只知道RUC.....

COMPLETE2013

不知道为啥，打车我就是喜欢柴油车。。。大概是结实把。。。哈哈哈哈

永远潜水

GRMVT 发表于 2013-7-18 08:52
目前已经知道的研究报告而言，无铅汽油和柴油的排放是有本质不同的，有兴趣可以查查网上资料。

如果明 ...

这点我同意，很多bus driver都在反映这个问题，柴油车不是必须要用还是不用的好

awesome.possum

BMW`M 发表于 2013-7-18 11:21
什么3.5那么省？

350L, 可能是我早晚堵车时开的不多，11L/100km 有时多一点，不过不会差太远，E350以前有次满箱油差一点点开到wellington。

GRMVT

祖传老军医 发表于 2013-7-18 09:40
如果你如此爱护环境关注健康，那你本身从事的这个行业就和你的原则是背道而驰的，相信你干这行这么久进的 ...

素未平生，不知尊驾是谁，我不认识你，想必也未有交道，所以不能对你做判断，希望你也不可以己思而揣测他人言行，我自坦荡，坛子里大伙看着呢！

BMW`M

awesome.possum 发表于 2013-7-17 19:51
我倒是觉得长远来看柴油还是便宜，以前开3.5的汽油10.5L-11L/100km,现在柴油的3.0 100公里平均7.1L，上高 ...

什么3.5那么省？

xuli019

柴油车肯定比汽油省 对于大车。小车的话，还是没必要买柴油的吧。
不过以前大神说过，开个柴油你就不想开汽油车了，
考虑坏了以后维修的问题，难道汽油车不会坏
柴油车还有个好处，保值。
要是够钱 肯定买柴油车