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asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-23 20:38
don't you? tell me, for those people, if they were not christians would they still committed those ...

lol... funny ....

chinese kill more people compare to others around the world.

so it means chinese have no moral ?

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-23 20:40
none, because your bible does not have the concept of child marriage yet.

think about this, your ...

yeah, you cant prove that bible mentioned of child marriage .
and now, you are just pissing off about nothing ...

BIBLE never mentioned about you can rape or even about child marriage.
you know nothing about bible

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-23 08:35
child marriage ? which chapter which verse ? any indication of age ?
NO !!!

none, because your bible does not have the concept of child marriage yet.

think about this, your bible is very clear on what god don't want use to do, including to the detail of no shell fish. You bible tell you that you will be punish if you eat shell fish but don't say a thing about stopping child marriage. how useful is your bible? what's the different of your bible compare to other holy text?

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-23 08:34
Did i ? read it ...

don't you? tell me, for those people, if they were not christians would they still committed those crimes?

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-22 22:46
I think you are kiding me. even bible don't said about child marriage. how can you know that's god ...

child marriage ? which chapter which verse ? any indication of age ?
NO !!!

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-22 22:49
you totally miss the point. when people do horrible things that is commanded by bible, how can you ...

Did i ? read it ...

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-22 22:38
you totally didnt read #31

you totally miss the point. when people do horrible things that is commanded by bible, how can you denie the responsibility of bible?

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-22 22:35
are you kidding me ? when did the bible stated the age ?

I think you are kiding me. even bible don't said about child marriage. how can you know that's god's plan or bible is just another makeup holy book that don't know child marriage is not immoral. How long you been brain washed?

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-22 19:01
You are missing the point here. My question to you is when there atrosities is done in the name of  ...

you totally didnt read #31

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-22 19:02
doesn't matter isn't it? what matter is, now our moral standard is having sex with underage is immo ...

are you kidding me ? when did the bible stated the age ?

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 14:03
who define under age ? you ? science ?

bible never mentioned age for marriage, because God knows  ...

doesn't matter isn't it? what matter is, now our moral standard is having sex with underage is immoral. which your bible consider is moral. from today's standard, your bible is immoral.
bible did allow child marriage:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/11/14/bible-does-numbers-3118-sanction-pre-pubescent-marriages-child-marriage-2/

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 13:59
When someone killing non Christians because bible said that they should kill people in not believe ...

You are missing the point here. My question to you is when there atrosities is done in the name of religion, how can you said that your religion have nothing to do with it?

When you said bible have positive influance to people because "bible said so", then how can you said that people do bad thing because "bible said so" has nothing to do with bible?

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-19 13:24
We were talking about is bible moral, not whether Christian is moral. If Christians think that mar ...

who define under age ? you ? science ?

bible never mentioned age for marriage, because God knows this will change in times. therefore Bible never stated age restriction, but how you going to act on marriage.

He knows it all... beginning , now and the future...
AND AGAIN, you are out of topic.... BIBLE NEVER MENTIONED YOU COULD RAPE...

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-19 13:30
When someone killing non Christians because bible said that they should kill people in not believe ...

When someone killing non Christians because bible said that they should kill people in not believe in God, how dear you to said that the wrong doing has nothing to do with bible?
refer to 31#

When someone beating their children and quoting bible verse which said you should beat your children, how dear you to say that the wrong doing has nothing to do with the bible?
i admit that is on old testament, and i still believe its the best law stated during that era, there are no other law is that compassion that time. new testament, we are teach to love others as loving ourselves.

When Christians owning, selling and beating slave and quoting bible to justify their action. How dear for you to say that the wrong doing has nothing to do with the bible?
beating ??? which verse?
hello !!! wake up ... that is the social revolution. slave EXIST, and bible stated law to protect them.


When Christians refuse medical help for their children when they are sick, and that's from the bible verse that said if you have faith in God, God will heal all sickness. That lead to the dead of their children, how dear you to say that the wrong doing has nothing to do with bible?
you are completely foolish... that is the time when we christian try to take faith a step further, you challenge this for what ?
and what did chinese do in ancient day when they are not rich and sick ? foolish again, to ask this question. only the sick, needs a doctor. and we call our god Jehovah Rapha, He is the doctor. why cant we seek him ?

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 11:35
so i told you ... all the wrong doing is on people. not the bible... it is the people who misinterp ...

When someone killing non Christians because bible said that they should kill people in not believe in God, how dear you to said that the wrong doing has nothing to do with bible?

When someone beating their children and quoting bible verse which said you should beat your children, how dear you to say that the wrong doing has nothing to do with the bible?

When Christians owning, selling and beating slave and quoting bible to justify their action. How dear for you to say that the wrong doing has nothing to do with the bible?

When Christians refuse medical help for their children when they are sick, and that's from the bible verse that said if you have faith in God, God will heal all sickness. That lead to the dead of their children, how dear you to say that the wrong doing has nothing to do with bible?

So I told you, all the good things we did is because of our humanity and all the wrong things is done because of the backward religious teaching.

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 11:34
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age

read this ... is the christian who encourage not t ...

We were talking about is bible moral, not whether Christian is moral. If Christians think that marry someone under age is not moral, then bible is not moral. Thank you.

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-19 11:30
just because some christian fight against slavery does it mean that christianity don't endoure sla ...

so i told you ... all the wrong doing is on people. not the bible... it is the people who misinterpret it
and you mentioned bible say bla bla bla bla..
so if some chinese do fake milk powder , do we say all chinese are fake milk powder maker ?

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-19 11:31
ok, so bible don't set the standard of age, but the law today do. so bible is not moral anymore tod ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age

read this ... is the christian who encourage not to marry in early age, where at the same era, no other religion are introducing them.

therefore christian is the most early to response to your moral question.

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 11:29
bible is setting a standard for marriage. not the age.
and who says you couldnt married in young  ...

ok, so bible don't set the standard of age, but the law today do. so bible is not moral anymore today.

and if you think marry to a under age is moral thing to do, great, you again prove that christians are not moral.

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 11:25
but after all , its still the christian movement who set the slavery free.
admit it.
no other reli ...

just because some christian fight against slavery does it mean that christianity don't endoure slavery?

just because some christian rape children in the church does it mean that chrisitanity endour child rape?

100% of the mafia are christians too. most prisoner in american are christians too if follow your logic, christians are the most horrible people as well.

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-19 10:51
are you saying that bible's moral standard is not as good as we are today? could not use the same  ...

bible is setting a standard for marriage. not the age.
and who says you couldnt married in young age? moral ? No , its science today that prove having sex on early age might cause alot of problem later on. bring your sense here.

therefore all people during the olden days, married in young age.

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-19 10:49
lol, you don't know that it's also the christians that fight to keep slave.

but after all , its still the christian movement who set the slavery free.
admit it.
no other religion or even atheist even bother to set the slave free.

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 10:37
what do mean under age ? 15 ? 16 ? 12 ?
we chinese also do married in young age during the olden d ...

are you saying that bible's moral standard is not as good as we are today? could not use the same standard we have today to evaluate bible?

great, thank, you just prove that bible is not moral according to today's standard.

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 10:33
never in the history not recognizing legalization of slavery existed. i do admit slavery exist eve ...

lol, you don't know that it's also the christians that fight to keep slave.


an entire sect of christian move to the south of american so that they can keep slave, these is the orgin of what we call Southern Baptist.
Thornoth stringfellow was one of those christians, he wronge a paper about why according to bible, god allow us to have slaves.
http://docsouth.unc.edu/church/string/string.html

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-19 09:10
for a under age, that is in the master's control, does she have the capability of making consent?  ...

what do mean under age ? 15 ? 16 ? 12 ?
we chinese also do married in young age during the olden days. under age ?

again, you are out of topic ... rape , bible have abomination of rape ... never in bible mentioned you could rape. we are in the topic of you saying bible mentioning you could rape under age slave . dont get out of topic

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-19 09:11
and, no, not just slavery exist, your god sanstion slavery, you god make law to legalise slavery.
...

never in the history not recognizing legalization of slavery existed. i do admit slavery exist even in the olden days. but it is christian movement who set the slavery free.

thanks to Christianity, you no longer a slave , or might be one. i thank god for that.

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 08:02
if you want to have sex with her, you will need to take her as concubine. so she no longer slave.
...

and, no, not just slavery exist, your god sanstion slavery, you god make law to legalise slavery.

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-19 08:02
if you want to have sex with her, you will need to take her as concubine. so she no longer slave.
...

for a under age, that is in the master's control, does she have the capability of making consent?

again, you are not moral and lack of basic knowledge about law.

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-18 20:41
well, at lease you admit that bible sanction of slavery.

bible did not say you can't rape your sl ...

if you want to have sex with her, you will need to take her as concubine. so she no longer slave.
please refer to post 46#.

yes, we admit that slavery exist, therefore bible set rules to protect the slave. and on the new testament, Jesus are the one who encourage to set the slave free. and His will succeed on the later days in US.

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-18 16:45
again, out of topic ...
BIBLE did not mentioned you could rape slave.

well, at lease you admit that bible sanction of slavery.

bible did not say you can't rape your slave right? and slave have to please you. does that include sex?