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asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-17 17:15
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Thornton Stringfellow

again, out of topic ...
BIBLE did not mentioned you could rape slave.

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-17 15:31
Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
7. if a man sell his daughter] as he easily might do, eit ...

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Thornton Stringfellow
Scriptural and Statistical Views in Favor of Slavery
Richmond, Va.: J. W. Randolph, 1856.
Summary

Stringfellow's Scriptural and Statistical Views in Favor of Slavery is written in two parts. The first part, "Scriptural Views," is a reprint of the tract A Brief Examination of Scripture Testimony on the Institution of Slavery. His four major points in this essay are as follows: 1) Slavery received the sanction of God in the time of the Patriarchs; 2) Slavery is incorporated as a part of the only commonwealth expressly established by God; 3) Slavery is recognized by Jesus Christ as legitimate; and 4) Slavery is full of mercy. In support of these contentions, Stringfellow calls attention especially to Abraham, Jewish Law, and the Pauline epistles in the New Testament. Added to this essay are two shorter essays. The first responds to an attempt by a pro-abolition individual to convince him that scripture condemns slavery. Stringfellow refutes every scripture employed by the abolitionist. The second essay uses the Israelite conquest of Canaan to prove that slavery is legitimated by Mosaic Law.

The second part of this book contains the "Statistical views." This essay uses the census of 1850 to make material claims for the expediency of slavery. Most of his material compares the six New England states with the five old slave states on the Atlantic coast. Using census data, Stringfellow asserts that the southern states are superior in religious life and material life for whites, slaves, and free blacks. The urban life of the northern states suffers in comparison with the agricultural South both in terms of general prosperity and population growth. Stringfellow's conclusion is that despite the fact that the northern states forced the burden of slavery onto their southern neighbors, the southern states have thrived socially and religiously. Stringfellow takes this as evidence that slavery is not a curse, but a blessing.

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-16 21:49
If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.

你知道什 ...

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
7. if a man sell his daughter] as he easily might do, either from actual poverty, or because he was in such circumstances that it would be more advantageous for his daughter to be the concubine of a well-to-do neighbour than to marry a man in her own social position.

maidservant] better, bondwoman (RVm.), or female slave: ‘maid-servant’ has associations which are not at all those of ancient Hebrew society. Here the word (’âmâh) denotes in particular a female slave bought not only to do household work, but also to be her master’s concubine. Cf. the same word in Genesis 21:10 ff. (of Hagar), Jdg 9:18 (of Gideon’s concubine; see Exodus 8:31), Exodus 19:19.

as the male slaves do] v. 2.

7–11. Hebrew female slaves. The law for female slaves is different. A female slave does not receive her freedom at the end of six years (v. 7); still, she cannot be sold to a non-Israelite; and if her master, before actually taking her as his concubine, finds he does not like her she must be redeemed (v. 8). If her master has bought her for his son she must have the usual rights of a daughter (v. 9). If her master take another concubine, she is in no respect to be defrauded of her food, dress, and conjugal rights (v. 10): if these be withheld, her freedom must be given her unconditionally (v. 11). The reason for the different treatment of female slaves is to be found in the fact that a female slave was as a rule (v. 8) her master’s concubine; she stood consequently to her master in a relation which could not suitably be terminated at the end of six years. Concubinage was common among the ancient Hebrews (among the patriarchs, Genesis 16:3; Genesis 22:24; Genesis 30:3; Genesis 30:9; Genesis 36:12; in the time of the Judges, Jdg 8:31; Jdg 9:18; Jdg 19:1 ff.; and among the early kings, 2 Samuel 3:7; 2 Samuel 5:13; 2 Samuel 15:16; 2 Samuel 21:11; 1 Kings 11:3), as it was also among the Babylonians in the age of Ḥammurabi (Code, §§ 144–71[186]), and as it is still in Mohammedan countries (see e.g. Lane, Modern Egyptians, i. 122, 227, 232 f.).

[186] Cf. the interesting case attested by two contemporary contract-tablets (Pinches, OT. in the Light of Ass. and Bab. records and legends, p. 174 f.; Cook, Moses and Ḥamm. p. 113 f.): a man marries his wife’s sister, to become her waiting-maid.


Pulpit Commentary
Verse 7. - If a man sell his daughter to be a maid-servant. Among ancient nations the father' s rights over his children were generally regarded as including the right to sell them for slaves. In civilised nations the right was seldom exercised; but what restrained men was rather a sentiment of pride than any doubt of such sales being proper. Many barbarous nations, like the Thracians (Herod. 5:6), made a regular practice of selling their daughters. Even at Athens there was a time when sales of children had been common (Plut. Vit. Solon. § 13). Existing custom, it is clear, sanctioned such sales among the Hebrews, and what the law now did was to step in and mitigate the evil consequences. (Compare the comment on verse 2.) These were greatest in the case of females. Usually they were bought to be made the concubines, or secondary wives of their masters. If this intention were carried out, then they were to be entitled to their status and maintenance as wives during their lifetime, even though their husband took another (legitimate) wife (ver. 10). If the retention was not carried out, either the man was to marry her to one of his sons (ver. 9), or he was to sell his rights over her altogether with his obligations to another Hebrew; or he was to send her back at once intact to her father' s house, without making any claim on him to refund the purchase-money. These provisos may not have furnished a remedy against all the wrongs of a weak, and, no doubt, an oppressed class; but they were important mitigations of the existing usages, and protected the slave-concubine to a considerable extent.

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-16 17:02
Exodus 21:7-11

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six y ...

If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.

你知道什么叫please？

你可以拥有这个人，让着个人做任何你要她做的事情，可以贩卖这个人，这不叫slave什么叫slave？你怎么定义slave的？
还是那句，宗教腐蚀你的道德。

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-11 20:45
Exodus 21:7-11

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six ...

Exodus 21:7-11

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

- no longer a slave, and as a daughter to the owner and wife to the son. So it's not rape.


She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.你猜这是可兰经的那个章节？lol，不好意思，这是圣经的Ezekiel 23:20 NIV

- What do you want to express here ? my question is bible never mentioned you can rape underage slave. Don't go out of topic.

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.这又是可兰经的那个章节？哦，不好意思，这是圣经的Numbers 31:17-18。

- Same here, they are not slaves. What do you want to express ?

lzhizhao

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-11 20:59
你的重点可以更新一点吗？回头看看你的问题又绕回来了，
问题1 妈妈生小孩，可以杀自己的孩子吗？那么需要 ...

你知道无论以什么名义，无差别杀死绝大部分人类的行为叫做屠杀么？

你知道你是在为屠杀辩护么？你知道为什么我说你的道德被宗教腐蚀了么？

lzhizhao

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-11 20:59
你的重点可以更新一点吗？回头看看你的问题又绕回来了，
问题1 妈妈生小孩，可以杀自己的孩子吗？那么需要 ...

新约没有推翻奴制度。为什么一本自称为道德最高典范的书却允许奴隶制度？

lzhizhao

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-11 20:59
你的重点可以更新一点吗？回头看看你的问题又绕回来了，
问题1 妈妈生小孩，可以杀自己的孩子吗？那么需要 ...

那场洪水杀死了多少婴儿，少年，请问全世界的婴儿做错了什么还要被杀死？

hlgdwken

你的重点可以更新一点吗？回头看看你的问题又绕回来了，
问题1 妈妈生小孩，可以杀自己的孩子吗？那么需要看的是，这个孩子究竟做了什么，以至于可以让深爱他的母亲去杀他，同样的神也是用一样的心态去看待祂所造的全部人类。神同样爱每一个孩子，只是如果这个孩子，他的作为使得神不得不这样，那么神同样会这么作。为的是守护更多的孩子活在爱的次序里，举例，常常开车的人，可以一直闯红灯吗？如果被警察阻拦，难道是警察没道理，不该抓你对吗？所以我请问你，律法+次序+规条的目的 是不是为了更好的帮助人的生活？


问题2以撒33岁这个事情，很多圣经历史中都可以考察，你可以问这个问题，只能说明你没有研究过圣经历史，只是自己用自己的理解去理解圣经，而且极端。整本圣经，千多预言被证实应验四分之三，最后只是剩下了启示的末日，还在逐渐应验中，只能说明一个问题，就是不论你是否接受相信，神终究是神


问题3 旧约历史与现代历史并不一样，旧约历史中的奴隶，在是允许被主人做主的，只是新约圣经，才改变，作奴隶的也是主人的弟兄，神救赎每一位，并不在乎他是否尊贵卑贱，神都怜悯，另外，圣经律法中在现时代，只有2条是最重要的，第一是尽心，尽性，尽意，尽力，爱神，其次是爱人如己，所以，你不能拿一个久远的历史作为一个结论，好像你的道德观是多么的好，其实只要是人，就没有完美的，换句话说都有罪，圣经中的罪，是指不完全或不完美，并不是指人作了什么行为，所以用一个不完全的理智，去看待一个完全的神的作为和决定，

另外我除了圣经并不看其他宗教书，因为都没意义，因为那没办法解决人生命的问题，另外希望你用礼貌回应，而且希望你可以凡事正面，圣经整本中那么多提到爱，可是你从来看不到，只是少少的看到以色列人的历史，就这样说神是不是很狭隘呢？神也同样爱你，你这些问题神都可以亲自答复你的，只需要你对祂说。对祂提问。好啦我们保持联系，祝福你进出凡事顺利~~~

lzhizhao

asdwan 发表于 2016-8-11 15:46
圣经上不曾说你可以强奸未成年奴隶的律法。。。你看的应该是可兰经。。。 ...

Exodus 21:7-11

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

你知道圣经也有石刑么？
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 - If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and [that], when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:   (Read More...)

She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.你猜这是可兰经的那个章节？lol，不好意思，这是圣经的Ezekiel 23:20 NIV

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.这又是可兰经的那个章节？哦，不好意思，这是圣经的Numbers 31:17-18。

asdwan

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-10 22:10
保护受压迫的奴隶，你有读圣经么？圣经上说你可以强奸未成年奴隶的律法你知道么？如果你认为这种行为是保 ...

圣经上不曾说你可以强奸未成年奴隶的律法。。。你看的应该是可兰经。。。

lzhizhao

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-10 21:42
恩典的出处，在于神，那么难道神没有权力使用吗？大洪水这个事件，也是最好的证明，神的能力，祂的真实性， ...

保护受压迫的奴隶，你有读圣经么？圣经上说你可以强奸未成年奴隶的律法你知道么？如果你认为这种行为是保护受压迫的奴隶的话，你还能更没道德么，你的良心和人性被狗吃了？

lzhizhao

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-10 21:42
恩典的出处，在于神，那么难道神没有权力使用吗？大洪水这个事件，也是最好的证明，神的能力，祂的真实性， ...

一，以撒已经33岁，换句话说，在这个年龄的他，如果不出于自愿，没人按的住他

请问你哪里得出这个结论的？还有，哪里说Abraham告诉他儿子要杀死他的事？哪里说出他儿子自愿了？你还能在胡言乱语多少？

lzhizhao

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-10 21:42
恩典的出处，在于神，那么难道神没有权力使用吗？大洪水这个事件，也是最好的证明，神的能力，祂的真实性， ...

你妈生你养你，你妈有权力杀死你么？

到底你的道德水平被腐蚀到了什么程度了？

hlgdwken

恩典的出处，在于神，那么难道神没有权力使用吗？大洪水这个事件，也是最好的证明，神的能力，祂的真实性，诺亚方舟现在还在土耳其的一个山上，另外在亚伯拉罕的例子中，你实在不知道当时的时间背景，所以你会以不懂得状态去理解，第一，以撒已经33岁，换句话说，在这个年龄的他，如果不出于自愿，没人按的住他，把他献祭给神，另外神并没有让以撒被献祭反而用一只羊来代替，神的救赎和他的公义并不冲突，祂保护受欺压的奴隶们，就如在埃及作奴隶的以色列人，拯救一群奴隶，也预表，拯救现在时代中，被色情，贪婪，憎恨，自私 等所捆绑的人，使得只要有愿意相信的人，就得释放，如果在这个世界上，耶稣没有资格救赎人，那么人的结果会是多么悲哀？圣经上说，耶稣就是道路，真理，生命，若不借着祂没人能到父那里去，  其实我们活在当下，如同一幅没有画完的画，在没有看到整幅画之前，我们说上帝的残忍和谎言是不公平的，因为我们只看到现在短短几十年所看到的，这仅仅只是这幅画的小小的几笔，就这样下一个结果的定义，其实真的没有智慧，可是神不一样，祂通晓过去现在未来一切事，所以不要用人有限的思想去猜神的做法，那样会让你很苦闷，圣经说，福音本是神的大能，要救一切信的人，神给很多人有很多机会认识祂的慈爱，只是你要不要去体会和感受或对他说话，神是真实，且听人的祷告，祂又是活在现在和永恒，如果你这么质疑神，为什么不问问上帝，让神给你一个满意的回应呢？

lzhizhao

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-8 22:23
个人理解，你的一切问题的出发点，是没好好理解圣经，换句话说，甚至连上下文都没有好好看，只是断章取义， ...

还有，别说什么神救赎这些最愚昧的谎言。你的神用一场洪水杀死了所有婴儿，妇女，老人。你的神会因为甘地单纯的不相信他的存在而把他送进地狱，永世受折磨。这就是你的神，你的神没有资格说爱，没有资格说救赎。

lzhizhao

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-8 22:23
个人理解，你的一切问题的出发点，是没好好理解圣经，换句话说，甚至连上下文都没有好好看，只是断章取义， ...

你凭什么说你的读法就是对的，我的读法就是错的。神要Abraham杀他的儿子，正常人，稍微有点人性的人都觉得这是血腥残暴的行为。但是你却读出温暖，和爱来自你的神，到底谁没有好好理解圣经？

圣经在出埃及记里面立法怎么去打你的奴隶，这么去贩卖奴隶，请问你哪里的上下文告诉你这些法律都是开玩笑的，请问谁是断章取义？

你所谓对圣经的正确理解不过是你随心所欲对圣经经文加以现代道德观的个人解读，但是一旦你对圣经加以解读而罔顾圣经最直达的意思，你同样赋予了其他人同样的依据。所以，对圣经的解读每个人都有自己的版本。所以，当你对圣经加以自己的观点解读的时候，你同样也赋予了宗教极端分子对圣经随心解读的权利。宗教极端分子手上面的没一滴鲜血你也沾有一份。

asdwan

A Moral Problem—the slaughter of the Canaanites (Josh 6, 8, 10).

Israel was commanded by God to completely exterminate the Canaanite inhabitants of the land including men, women, and children. This has been called a primitive and barbaric act of murder perpetrated on innocent lives.

Several factors must be kept in mind in viewing this situation. (1) There is a difference between murder and justifiable killing. Murder involves intentional and malicious hatred which leads to life-taking. On the other hand, the Bible speaks of permissible life-taking in capital punishment (Gen. 9:), in self defense (Exod. 22:2), and in a justifiable war (Gen. 14). (2) The Canaanites were by no means innocent. They were a people cursed of God from their very beginning (Gen. 9:25). They were a vile people who practiced the basest forms of immorality. God described their sin vividly in these words, “I punished its iniquity, and the land vomited out its inhabitants” (Lev. 18:25). (3) Further, the innocent people of the land were not slaughtered. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah clearly demonstrates that God would save a whole city for ten righteous people (Gen. 18:22f.). In that incident, when God could not find ten righteous people, He took the four or five righteous ones out of the place so as not to destroy them with the wicked (Gen. 19:15). On another occasion God saved some thirty-two thousand people who were morally pure (Num. 31:35). Another notable example is Rahab, whom God saved because she believed (cf. Heb. 11:31). (4) God waited patiently for hundreds of years, giving the wicked inhabitants of Canaan time to repent (cf. 2 Peter 3:9) before He finally decided to destroy them (Gen. 15:16). When their iniquity was “full,” divine judgment fell. God’s judgment was akin to surgery for cancer or amputation of a leg as the only way to save the rest of a sick body. Just as cancer or gangrene contaminates the physical body, those elements in a society—if their evil is left to fester—will completely contaminate the rest of society. (5) Finally, the battle confronting Israel was not simply a religious war; it was a theocratic war. Israel was directly ruled by God and the extermination was God’s direct command (cf. Exod. 23:27-30; Deut. 7:3-6; Josh. 8:24-26). No other nation either before or after Israel has been a theocracy. Thus, those commands were unique. Israel as a theocracy was an instrument of judgment in the hands of God. (Norman L. Geisler, A Popular Survey of the Old Testament, Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, 1977, pp. 99-100.)

From : https://bible.org/question/how-c ... emies-even-children

other articles : http://www.gotquestions.org/Canaanites-extermination.html
                  : http://www.denisonforum.org/fait ... kill-the-canaanites

hlgdwken

个人理解，你的一切问题的出发点，是没好好理解圣经，换句话说，甚至连上下文都没有好好看，只是断章取义，另外我没必要在祝福人的过程中，添加任何欺骗或攻击，对我而言没意义，另外，神救赎人，是祂的大能的彰显，要救一切信的人，当然不信的人，我也不会论断，这也是我的态度，如果神没有绝对的主权，我也不会鼓励你信，另外神救赎人，并不是一个交换或者是交易，而是白白的恩典，白给。你不需要花钱，信就有永生，另外救赎一个人和一群人，你认为是什么的价值可以交换生命的问题和结果？另外，关于另一个问题，父母生小孩，是否会杀小孩，这个问题，你只站在人的角度上去看，神创造了生命，祂不希望人，落入永死，所以才救赎人，因为罪，没有一个人在地球上不会死，但因为耶稣的救赎和复活，在信的人们，以后就有了盼望，活在永恒里，活在没有欺骗，没有争斗，没有一切的罪，只有 爱 亲人 一起在神的安息里，得着祝福，这是神要给人的，并不是你想的那样，祝福你，我们保持联系·

lzhizhao

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-5 23:55
你的第一问题，指跟从神的人，恨家人的罪，并不是指人，好好研究了在发出来
第二问题，圣徒在人际，家庭， ...

你喜欢怎么理解圣经这是你的问题，但不要欺骗我和其他没读过圣经的人。圣经白纸黑字写这的，普通6年级学生都可以看懂的文字，你告诉我一个完全相反的意义？你不是在愚弄我和其他人么？既然你的神这么万能，怎么他不有猪写猪，有狗写狗，非要把猪写成狗？

还有，你的所谓解析对我来说就如胡言乱语。 这里我并非羞辱你，我只是想指出，如果一个伊斯兰教徒跟你解析真神阿拉为什么要教徒石刑杀死异教徒，石刑杀死非处女。这些解析你可以接受么？你要明白，你的宗教和你的解析只对你和你的教徒有用，对我们根本不相信有神，更不相信耶稣是神的人来说，你真的只是个神棍。

lzhizhao

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-5 23:35
麻烦你读懂了你说的那段，才发来好吗？另外一个重点是，每次你都喜欢跑题，可以拉拉你的重点吗？活人献祭 ...

你的辩解有两个问题：
1 因为你认为耶稣是神，所以杀死他就不是活人祭献？那么，如果你认为我是恶魔

，然后你杀死我，那你就不是杀人犯？你觉得他是神并不代表他真是神。

2 就算我当他是神，在神学上这里有个非常大的问题。圣经里面他的死是要为人类

赎罪，就如圣经里描述其他羔羊被杀死祭献给神一样，是一个交换关系。如果耶稣

是神， 那么他的祭献并没有失去任何东西，何来赎罪？

还有，你父母创造了你，你父母就可以杀你么？我不礼貌的请问你，你有最基本的

道德观和人性么？

hlgdwken

你的第一问题，指跟从神的人，恨家人的罪，并不是指人，好好研究了在发出来
第二问题，圣徒在人际，家庭，关系上，为因着耶稣而受逼迫，但真理不可以让步，好像你一样读不懂，就只会乱说一气
第三问题，给你一个英文时态，加了ing的死人，埋葬加了ed的死人，意义在哪？，所以人很需要到耶稣那里寻找生命，解决生命的问题，
第四个问题，耶稣表达的很清楚，谁是他的弟兄和父母，是遵行神旨意的人，就连玛利亚，称呼耶稣也都是主，你不知道吗?所以这个问题很低级，因谁都知道耶稣是神的儿子【尤其是他妈妈】
第五，耶稣不允许辱骂弟兄和忧愁人的无知，连生命的根源都不相信，为什么这么傻竟然还不回到神面前寻找生命，忧愁和辱骂你都分不清。挺为你惋惜的。

hlgdwken

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-8-5 23:23
对，你把活人祭献当做美好。这就是为什么我说你的道德观被宗教腐蚀。

看看你们升级的英雄做过什么？ Ab ...

麻烦你读懂了你说的那段，才发来好吗？另外一个重点是，每次你都喜欢跑题，可以拉拉你的重点吗？活人献祭，这个词你用错了，耶稣是神，以自己生命献祭，是救赎，在不懂圣经的人是理解不了的，为了亚伯拉罕杀自己的儿子，但儿子没死，神用了一只羊来代替，至于你所说的，那些所谓的攻占城市，屠杀，只因为人为神造，神有足够的主权来决定人的生命，这点上面同样的道理，神造人，希望人如同一个花瓶 承载生命和怜悯，但是人执意喜欢作个锅，被烧黑了，才会后悔，甚至埋怨为什么神 要它被烧黑，最后自己承载的是神的审判，就觉得不公平，神不怜悯，邪恶，那么我请问你，你选择的事情，难道都是对的吗？没有悖逆过你的父母吗？难道长这么大，你父母把你扔在一边吗？你只是不懂圣经而已，所以请你，别总是用问过的问题，重新提问，没什么新意。又不愿意好好读圣经，只是把自己的猜测写出来，我不礼貌的请问你，圣经你有读过一边吗？

lzhizhao

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-8-5 23:06
你认识耶稣就不会这么说了，真正的美好不是出于我说，而是耶稣说。

对，你把活人祭献当做美好。这就是为什么我说你的道德观被宗教腐蚀。

看看你们升级的英雄做过什么？ Abraham为了你的主，会愿意杀死自己的儿子。圣经的所谓作者摩斯，攻占了城市后，屠杀全城的男人，老人，和非处女，留下年轻的处女被他的军队强奸。当然咯，对你来说这些都是美好事情。

hlgdwken

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-7-27 19:04
我不是说耶稣，我说的是你，你把活人祭献装饰成一个美好的事情，这本身就是一种邪恶。 ...

你认识耶稣就不会这么说了，真正的美好不是出于我说，而是耶稣说。

lzhizhao

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-7-27 18:51
耶稣从来没做过你所谓邪恶的事情，更是无罪，不需要任何辩解，还是请你想想在问吧，我上来的时间不是很多 ...

我不是说耶稣，我说的是你，你把活人祭献装饰成一个美好的事情，这本身就是一种邪恶。

hlgdwken

lzhizhao 发表于 2016-7-25 20:35
邪恶并不可怕，可怕的是为邪恶辩解。

真正知道自己在犯罪的人不过，更多的是在犯罪过程中正以化自己罪行 ...

耶稣从来没做过你所谓邪恶的事情，更是无罪，不需要任何辩解，还是请你想想在问吧，我上来的时间不是很多，所以回复会比较晚，希望下次上线，会能看见一些有价值的问题~或者什么值得讨论，不会浪费大家时间好吗？

lzhizhao

hlgdwken 发表于 2016-7-24 23:04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q70KH__sk9U 这个你可以看看，很短的视频，证明耶稣的死和他的复活~

邪恶并不可怕，可怕的是为邪恶辩解。

真正知道自己在犯罪的人不过，更多的是在犯罪过程中正以化自己罪行。

hlgdwken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q70KH__sk9U 这个你可以看看，很短的视频，证明耶稣的死和他的复活~



贡献问题，最简单不过了，我们常常为国家祷告，为和平祷告，因为耶稣是和平的君王，而且没有人会说，我们野蛮或愚蠢，相反我们身边的朋友，都愿意接触我们，因为我们愿意原谅，感恩，说正面的话，帮助有需要的人，这都是耶稣的爱
在我们当中，对未信的人，50岁的夫妻关系，还需要被一个没结婚的20几岁的年轻人调解关系【这个年轻人只是中学毕业】，这个年轻人，因为有了神的智慧，帮助起来，别人的回应都是，为什么你这么年轻，就这么懂得如何帮助别人，所以我们的见证都是出于【神】，而不是出于【神话】。神给我们自由，让你我选择接受祂和不接受，但接受的人，都是满满的祝福，神从来不强迫人，因为祂是爱，祂教导人去包容，原谅，忍耐