急急急，在签了conditional offer之后1个多星期，卖家想再加condition

ljb630710

我是一个多星期之前有给conditional offer, subject to LIM, finance, builder's report，给了15天的期限，然后卖家加了个subject to lawyer's approval， 我看到后就也加了个，之后卖家就同意了，conditional contracts也已经寄到双方的律师那里。

后来过了一天，卖家就想推迟settlement date，我没有同意，但是说可以过了settlement date，然他们已租房形式给我押金，然后他们又说原来的settlement date可以。

现在已经过了一个星期，我的LIM, finance和builder's report都已经差不多弄好了，结果今天接到律师的电话，说卖家要在合同里面加上subject to purchase of a new home as at XX/XX,那个日期是原合同里面的unconditional date，问题是我现在该花的钱都已经花了，加起来也有近2000了，如果卖家没有买房成功，我相当于会损失掉2000。

律师说it's unfair，但是我也没有什么选择。

请问大家有过类似经验或者听说过这样案例的，可以提些建议么，什么样的condition可以保护我不受到损失，因为我真的很喜欢这个房，然后以后如果再买房，怎么样才可以避免掉这样的现象。

谢谢，谢谢大家了

smartchina

不给加不行吗，合同都已经签了

onetreehill1

LZ怎么会给卖家后来加了个subject to lawyer's approval？？？这样的话，卖家是可以在合同里面加上subject to purchase of a new home as at XX/XX。在XX/XX当天卖家能买到另一个房子吗？我表示怀疑，看起来好像卖家不想卖了，现在是听天由命了，LZ买个教训吧{:8_396:}

walker123

confused. why do you have to add an extra condition by following the vendor? don't undersatand.

"律师说it's unfair，但是我也没有什么选择。" ??? may need more details then give you some suggestion.

walker123

onetreehill1 发表于 2013-6-4 23:56
LZ怎么会给卖家后来加了个subject to lawyer's approval？？？这样的话，卖家是可以在合同里面加上subject  ...

i think you're right. but the point is Lz can turn it down.

John.G

卖家怎么可能单方面再修改合同呢？任何附加条款必须有双方的initals

蓝山小野猫商铺

你既然都已经签了合同了。。。

就不同意他加的条款你也一点问题都没有。。。

害怕什么啊？？？

还急啥哇。。。

要我啥都不急。。。

直接说 sorry we do not agree with it。。。

不同意就三字。。。

非常不同意就五个字。。。

ljb630710

walker123 发表于 2013-6-5 07:31
confused. why do you have to add an extra condition by following the vendor? don't undersatand.

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sorry i am in the office. so have to type in English.

All these conditions were put together at the same date when I signed the conditional contract.

It's unfair because they put in such condition at the middle of process and because I really want to buy the house, if I say no to the condition, their lawyer might say they won't sell the house to me because he does not approve the contract.

ljb630710

蓝山小野猫商铺 发表于 2013-6-5 09:00
你既然都已经签了合同了。。。

就不同意他加的条款你也一点问题都没有。。。

Because they put a condition subject to lawyer's approval, if I don't agree with it, they may turn against the contract and decide not to sell the house to me.

蓝山小野猫商铺

ljb630710 发表于 2013-6-5 09:01
sorry i am in the office. so have to type in English.

All these conditions were put together at ...

既然都签了这个conditional offer就只有你turn him down。。。

那来的他turn you down哇？？？

除非你说你放弃这个conditional offer了。。。

他不能在你们约定的日期里面turn down你的offer。。。

因为他已经签了这个offer的意思就是。。。

只要你满足了你自己设定的条件你就可以在有效日期内购买这个房子 屋主无权Say no。。。

这是我对conditional offer的理解。。。

Milan28

那如果他们在指定的日期内买不到新的房子呢？这个业主就是想给自己留好后路，现在住的房子卖了，腾出来钱想去买新房，又不想去租房子住，占这个地，天下哪有这等好事，楼主你真的太慈悲了。

蓝山小野猫商铺

ljb630710 发表于 2013-6-5 09:05
Because they put a condition subject to lawyer's approval, if I don't agree with it, they may turn ...

我都说了即使他们加了那个条款。。。

但是并不代表说他们律师说了就算的。。。

只要你不肯加任何条款。。。

这个合约也会按照原来进行到你们约定那天。。。

并不是说你不加他们就不卖了。。。

那这份压根就不是一份合同了啊。。。

而且他现在不也来征求你的意见么？？？

如果直击是他的律师同意得了。。。

直接还来征求你啥意见哇？？？

LZ你不能说你太爱太想买这个房子了 就啥自己权利都放弃 啥东西都迁就哇。。。

蓝山小野猫商铺

ljb630710 发表于 2013-6-5 09:05
Because they put a condition subject to lawyer's approval, if I don't agree with it, they may turn ...

如果你真加了。。。

你就真傻到彻底了。。。

不过估计你这房子卖家是个洋人吧。。。

蓝山小野猫商铺

LZ切身经验告诉你。。。

很多时候所谓加这些条款的都不是屋主自己的想法。。。

都是他身边那个律师想的坏水。。。

所以不要太仁慈。。。

leonlmf

你的律师也垃圾 500nzd那种吗 自己不懂又不找个好点的律师 现在把自己挂在那 现在才说unfair 当时为什么不帮你加条款 白痴律师 pm me your solicitor details plz

蓝山小野猫商铺

leonlmf 发表于 2013-6-5 09:19
你的律师也垃圾 500nzd那种吗

估计他律师也真的500都不值吧。。。

那有这样子都说it is unfair 然后就没有下文了。。。

应该说完it is unfair直接来一句but we could。。。

哎。。。

还真没看到这样子的。。。

我当时买房 卖家也没有买到房子。。。

我当时跟他说要不我吧settlement date延后一点吧。。。

然后他说不不不 那天我肯定能搬出去的。。。

最后我们是一起交接的。。。

就是他也把他新房子弄在同一天settlement了。。。

而且他只用了2个星期看房买房哇。。。

所以我觉得LZ你的卖家超级极品哇。。。

天才

直接告诉卖家你不同意
合同签了就是签了，别管他，照样交割

walker123

ljb630710 发表于 2013-6-5 09:01
sorry i am in the office. so have to type in English.

All these conditions were put together at ...

did you use the standard contract? did you ask your lawyer before add a new condition?

1. I think you're over-worried about it.
2. There is the same result if the vendor wants to escape the contract,  whether you agree with the new condition or not.
3. It's not a big deal if you missed this chance as there are many good properties you may like, even better then this one.
4. If missed out, have a good sleep tonight, start an hunting. good luck

John.G

ljb630710 发表于 2013-6-5 09:01
sorry i am in the office. so have to type in English.

All these conditions were put together at ...

既然你自己接受了人家的条件，那又何必来抱怨呢。。。
自己签字认可了 那就承受结果呗。。。 没啥unfair的。。。

ljb630710

leonlmf 发表于 2013-6-5 09:19
你的律师也垃圾 500nzd那种吗 自己不懂又不找个好点的律师 现在把自己挂在那 现在才说unfair 当时为什么不帮 ...

costs me $1300 for the lawyer. He basically didn't me give me any advice, only said it's my choice.

ljb630710

John.G 发表于 2013-6-5 09:30
既然你自己接受了人家的条件，那又何必来抱怨呢。。。
自己签字认可了 那就承受结果呗。。。 没啥unfair ...

I accepted the condition of subject to lawyer's approval because I thought it was reasonable, I didn't know and expect sellers or buyers can change the conditions any time after the contract was signed.

John.G

蓝山小野猫商铺 发表于 2013-6-5 09:06
既然都签了这个conditional offer就只有你turn him down。。。

那来的他turn you down哇？？？

卖家也可以在conditional offer上加条件的。。。比如可以加接受backup offer后给买家3天宣布无条件否则合约取消等。

rockfield

ljb630710 发表于 2013-6-5 09:05
Because they put a condition subject to lawyer's approval, if I don't agree with it, they may turn ...

你说的对, 因为这个 subject to lawyer's approval 你现在很被动了, 你不同意他就可能用这条取消合同.
问题是卖得很便宜吗? 一般来说屋主是希望房子卖出去的, 否则他自己也白费了很多精力和时间, 可能他觉得卖便宜了, 现在你只能和他协商解决, 是不是再加几个钱或者别的什么办法, 毕竟他把你的合同取消了, 回头还得再open home 再卖也很费力气, 争取能协商成功, 双赢最好.

蓝山小野猫商铺

John.G 发表于 2013-6-5 09:36
卖家也可以在conditional offer上加条件的。。。比如可以加接受backup offer后给买家3天宣布无条件否则合 ...

貌似必须要对方同意才行的喔。。。

因为那时候我也有过这种疑虑 专门问过律师。。。

然后律师说如果你和卖家两个都签署了conditional offer。。。

事后如果你要加什么条款或者他要加什么条款都必须需要经由你们双方核实并且同意。。。

然后我说那卖家可不可以单方加条件 律师说不行。。。

然后我说卖家能不能单方再接受其他的offer 律师说不行的喔。。。

不过如果卖家自己在买家没有签署之前加了那个backup offer而买家又傻呼呼同意了 那就另当别论了。。。

哎。。。

leonlmf

ljb630710 发表于 2013-6-5 09:34
I accepted the condition of subject to lawyer's approval because I thought it was reasonable, I di ...

I dont understand why your solicitor approved this agreement. Is it only vendor solicitor approval or both side? If both solicitors why he let you get into this unfair situation. Why he doesnt put an escape clause before the approval?

蓝山小野猫商铺

ljb630710 发表于 2013-6-5 09:01
sorry i am in the office. so have to type in English.

All these conditions were put together at ...

我是觉得你想太多了。。。

既然你能出conditional offer并且对方也同意了。。。

肯定是他的房子暂时你是最有诚意并且价格出的比较合乎他们心理价位的。。。

你何必因为害怕他们不卖给你房子就这样子呢？？？

我觉得其实对方压根没有啥问题。。。

最大的问题是你的心态问题。。。

你太想买这个房子然后你自己把自己该坚持的原则给放弃了。。。

而且你不同意加那个他们买新房子了 你怎么就那么肯定对方律师一定会不把房子卖你呢？？？

都是你自己想的。。。

最坏打算不卖就不卖呗。。。

因为你加了那个条款 他买不到房子还是要住你那个房子 而且还不要给你租金。。。

自己冷静的想想吧。。。

喜马拉雅大山猫

For example if the Buyer’s Solicitor discovers that the Vendor is not the registered owner of the Property being sold under the Agreement, then this would provide a valid reason for withholding their Approval.  However, if the Buyer’s purchase Agreement did not have the same settlement date as the Sale of their existing property, this would not provide a valid reason for your Solicitor to withhold their approval. Neither would simply changing your mind about the transaction be a valid reason.

阿海

你也要求放个condition：

If vendor cancel's the contract, vendor shall compensate the purchaser $2000.

蓝山小野猫商铺

阿海 发表于 2013-6-5 09:54
你也要求放个condition：

If vendor cancel's the contract, vendor shall compensate the purchaser $2 ...

聪明。。。

LZ速度照做。。。

bungyjumping999

in 2010, when i bought a house and put  "subject to lawyer approval"
the seller refused to sell to me and sold to someone with lesser amount.

Lesson learnt.  She was an old lady, prefer something more certain and no mucking around, that was what agent told me.

On hindsight, i used same money to buy a fullsite house nearby. That rejection was a practice.