About Rebiya's visit

saintjohn

haven't you watched "10 conds of love"? she's a demanding moody bitch.

btw, she doesn't want a good chinese-uyghur relationship, she want her "country" to gain independence.

I'd go and shake her and and ask "so, if u say that chinese gov treats uyghur people so badly, how did u become a billionaire?"

love_3_month

haven't you watched "10 conds of love"? she's a demanding moody bitch.

btw, she doesn't want a good chinese-uyghur relationship, she want her "country" to gain independence.

I'd go and shake h ...
saintjohn 发表于 2009-10-8 10:16

why you put such a sad poem......

又迎寒风中秋夜
单影独邀月中人
身沉酒醉千杯尽
了了数行诉声声 - 03.10.09

saintjohn

why you put such a sad poem......

又迎寒风中秋夜
单影独邀月中人
身沉酒醉千杯尽
了了数行诉声声 - 03.10.09
love_3_month 发表于 2009-10-8 09:29

Cang Tou Shi

love_3_month

i partially agree, that Chinese government did not do a good job in handling the issue in the past 2 months. It actually gave her more exposure in international media.

one way i can think of, is to find some important person to xinjiang people, just like  班禅 to tibetan, to speak out the truth.

不是排骨不熬汤

社会有那么简单就好了。  

牵扯到利益，权力的东西不是shake hands 就可以解决的。。

RhapsodyOfFire

there is no denying that she, like many uyghurs, want independence, you would want the same if we are under japanese ruling today.

Also her story isnt always true.which gives us even more reason to ...
铁牛 发表于 2009-10-8 10:47

我个人认为你的逻辑已经混乱了，首先，中国没有被日本统治过，也从来没有成为过日本的一部分。 而新疆自古以来就是中国的一部分。所以你说的'Under Japanese ruling' 和中国的统一一点关系都没有。

萨米

我个人认为你的逻辑已经混乱了，首先，中国没有被日本统治过，也从来没有成为过日本的一部分。 而新疆自古以来就是中国的一部分。所以你说的'Under Japanese ruling' 和中国的统一一点关系都没有。
RhapsodyOfFire 发表于 2009-10-8 15:19

自古.... From when?

love_3_month

自古以来..........如果从元朝来算, 我们自古以来是蒙古的一部分.............或者欧洲自古以来是蒙古的一部分............或者外蒙古自古以来是我国的一部分.............混乱中....................

that is why all fairy tales starts with long long time ago.............

jimmyzhou

fantastic8376

铁牛摆事实，讲道理，在下非常赞同和钦佩。

ch51019

LZ去跟奧大版的同學說說吧 他們正打算去遊行抗議呢
但那能改變啥? 幫了誰呢?
我說無聊還被炮轟...唉

z-score

haven't you watched "10 conds of love"? she's a demanding moody bitch.

btw, she doesn't want a good chinese-uyghur relationship, she want her "country" to gain independence.

I'd go and shake h ...
saintjohn 发表于 2009-10-8 10:16

Yes, support. She doesn't not want to Han to live peacefully.

bigbear

铁牛 is wrong

there are two 东突厥斯坦共和国

the first 东突厥斯坦共和国 only last few months

the second 东突厥斯坦共和国 only rules Ili area(a small part of Xinjing)  for 4 years, backed by the soviet union. Millions Hans were murdered.

Ürümqi was ruled by Han People since Zuo Zongtang took Xinjing back from Tajikistan people

Xinjing is ruled by Chinese warlords during the Chinese civil war time but these warlords are still consider Xinjiang as a part of ROC.

From the history point of view, Han arrived in Xinjiang earlier than Uyghurs or Muslims

bigbear

"the second 东突厥斯坦共和国 only rules Ili area(a small part of Xinjing)  for4 years, backed by the soviet union. Millions Hans were murdered."
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http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4c080d650100cws9.html~type=v5_one&label=rela_prevarticle
no Hans people left after the Uyghurs ruled Ili



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"Ürümqi was ruled by Han People since Zuo Zongtang took Xinjing back from Tajikistan people"
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and that was in Qing, which is ruled by Manchurian , not Han
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Zuo Zongtang is Han

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the Warlord in question - Shengshicai,  did not consider himself tobe  KMT until close to his end.   in fact he joined the Sovietunion  Communist party. only joined KMT in 1942, 2 years before he gotkicked out
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%9B%9B%E4%B8%96%E6%89%8D
No warloads in China in 1930s declared an independent state. Except CCP

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"From the history point of view, Han arrived in Xinjiang earlier than Uyghurs or Muslims"
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and how did you figure this out?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%BB%B4%E5%90%BE%E5%B0%94%E6%97%8F
Han took Xinjing from Xiongnu (Xiongnu got nothing to do with Uyghurs) in 200s BC
......古代匈奴和当代蒙古人群为延续世系，而现代土耳其人与蒙古人更多的是文化和语言学上的交流而非基因上的交流。匈奴人和西伯利亚的雅库特人也没有血缘关系。......
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8C%88%E5%A5%B4

bigbear

If Xinjiang should be returned to someone, it should be returned to Mongolians, not Uyghurs or Muslims

sammy1112

要不要这么复杂？
又是政治，又是历史，讲得清楚吗？
最好的方式就是无视她

历史上这种惟恐天下不乱的人都没有好下场
得罪了祖国
也没有受到外国的认可和支持
何必呢？

bigbear

21# 铁牛

How many Hans was killed by Uyghurs in 1940s are not the point. I can say many. The killing is based on ethnic and you agree with me this is called "genocide". This may happen again if Uyghurs rule again.

Ruling by warlord is not the same as independent state. China was ruled by many warlords in 1930s and 1940s, should Beijing, North-Eastern China, Sicuan, Guangdong, Shandong, Shanxi be an independent state as well?

Uyghrs are descended from the Tiele people, who are not from Xinjiang, they are from Siberia. Uyghrs  entered Xinjiang in 700 EC. It is not justice if Uyghrs claimed Xinjiang as their land.

bigbear

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but all in all, you are missing the point.  I am not talking about "return the land to" whoever. as I dont believe in seperation either. but I do believe that to truly create a harmonic community, hate is not the answer, understand and collaboration is.
铁牛 发表于 2009-10-9 14:54

harmonic community is only a CCP's dream
there is no harmony in Muslim world

yunfeng

LZ是每个帖子都先上英文，然后到英文枯竭了站出来说中文？？？？

yunfeng

24# 铁牛

你为什么总是说种族屠杀？？？
谁要屠杀？

bigbear

所谓尊重对手就是尊重自己， 热比亚的人生目标和我们不一样， 这是很正常的， 这部代表我们一定要贬低她和打击她， 全世界现在都在可怜她，我们对她越礼貌， 全世界就越不会仇视中国。
铁牛 发表于 2009-10-10 15:49

How about I changed your words to that, do you think Americans should accept this idea?

所谓尊重对手就是尊重自己， 本拉登的人生目标和我们不一样， 这是很正常的， 这不代表我们一定要贬低他和打击他， 全世界现在都在可怜他，我们对他越礼貌， 全世界就越不会仇视美国。

Believe or not, Muslim cannot live peacefully with others, that's their religion belief.

"Convert to Islam or Die!"

yunfeng

How about I changed your words to that, do you think Americans should accept this idea?

所谓尊重对手就是尊重自己， 本拉登的人生目标和我们不一样， 这是很正常的， 这不代表我们一定要贬低他和打击他 ...
bigbear 发表于 2009-10-10 18:01

;handshake;

bigbear

你真能扯， 本拉登和热比娅万全是两码事

本拉登在911后立刻宣布是他干的， 他要的就是恐怖主义， 要把美国人吓跑， 这是宣战。 穆斯林世界像热比娅这样的人很多， 但是被追着打的只有想本拉登这种宣战的。

热比 ...
铁牛 发表于 2009-10-10 23:49

Rebiya want to wipe out all Hans/Non-Muslims from Xinjiang, that's it.

"漢維無法共存"  - 熱比婭

I think you probaby "思维混乱"

Shame On You!